@Bhu, you hit the nail on the coffin.
Finally someone with intelligence posting on this forum. You are heaven sent.
@Nightpain, you are either lying or got lucky. I have 460+ gear, and I have run it 5 times, and have yet to be part of a group that beat it. My first 2 runs had 10 stacks of determination.
Also, apparently Blizzards also thinks the raid is hard. Acording to Blizz " Players will now no longer be mind controlled on LFR difficulty of the N’zoth encounter in Nyalotha
We realized that we may have overtuned the fight for LFR difficulty and decided that players should be able to enjoy the story and encounter without this difficult mechanic
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Also, since I have now run Ny’alotha on Heroic. My experience running it on Heroic is actually easier compared to LFR. Which makes sense for variance reasons.
- Heroic raid leader can set gear lvl
- Can select who is part of your group.
- Higher cape rank
- More experienced players.
Disclaimer: I am not saying LFR is harder than heroics, I am just saying that with the right group composition, the experience of running it on Heroic seemed easier than LFR.
Raiyyn, you have no credibility please stop commenting. And quoting Nightpain who is a liar and a moron does not do you any favors. Gojjira is also a moron.
What is so hard about LFR. This LFR is hard for those it was intended, the same way running 3 miles is hard for me, but running 10 miles is easy for my Kenyan friend because his body is better condition to do so. The same way hardcore raider will have an easier time running the raid on Heroic because they are better prepared to do so. Different scenario but same logic.
Finally even though you character is ilvl 470+, I can guarantee that you, Nightpain, and Gojjira would have failed even if you were part of the 5 LFR I joined. You would not have made a difference unless you are able to solo the raid.
Gonna go with lying since he can’t be bothered to post on at least one of his stable of toons that have all defeated N’Zoth.
Which one would you like me to post on? I’ve killed N’Zoth LFR on several:
Jaropee - Earthen Ring
Blueballer - Earthen Ring
Illidette - WRA
Melonbug - WRA
Yiphy - WRA
I killed him on my pally last night with only 8 stacks. I led the raid and it went just fine. Luck has nothing to do with it - you just have to coordinate people SLIGHTLY.
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Pug life but the fact that there is no tier why are you guys even raiding lfr i don’t get it,you get better gear from WQ by alot and youtube has the ending stop killing yourself.
@Wrathface, I can’t speak for the rest but I was initially doing it to complete the quest Corruptors end. Since I am not fond of Guilds or raids, I figured the best way to do it would be to do the LFR.
@Nightpain, how convenient, you just happen to complete it on all various characters except the one you are posting with. You have no credibility dude.
… What? Because I have an alt that I don’t play any more and haven’t switched it over on the forums?
I have been trying to explain how to make LFR groups successful without Blizz nerfing it into oblivion. You called me a liar and asked for proof, which I provided - now is when you should say “Oh, well I guess maybe they do know what they are talking about” rather than continuing to attack my credibility.
Been over a month since I replied to posted on this topic… Since then I have successfully beat Nzoth on Normal and Heroic multiple times and started Mythic… I have yet to defeat him on LFR, I even gave it a shot today and gave up after 3rd wipe… So the OP is not far off when he says LFR is as hard as Mythic. LFRaiders are vastly undergeared and underprepared for the fight making it almost impossible to complete.
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Yes. Yes, he is way off.
I get that you think it should be nerfed because LFR “raiders” are undergeared, but they’re not. They have plenty of gear to kill any boss in LFR. They refuse to look at the dungeon journal, a 2 minute video, or any other thing that tells them what the mechanics of the fight are so that they can kill the boss. Then, after doing the fight over and over, dying, doing it again over and over, dying more, doing it again, dying, doing, dying, over and over and over, they still refuse to learn anything or read anything about the fight. Period. That, my friend, has nothing to do with the difficulty of the fight.
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Actually it’s just as hard as normal with lower numerical values so… not hard at all.
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I know Mythic is harder than Heroic which is harder than normal. LFR is the easiest. But in terms of difficulty to the groups, I can say I had an easier time clearing Heroic than LFR. I was part of a LFR today. Several people said it was their first time. I took the time to explain the fight. Still, on the first try withing a minute we lost about 8 people. I was getting frustrated so I explained again, it was better second try, even better 3rd try, but I didn’t have the patience to stick around for 10 stacks of determination so I left. Again, prior to Nzoth, I always thought determination only went up to 5 stacks, because I have never seen 10 stacks in my entire LFR xp. So that should tell you something. Your experience maybe different, but this has been my xp.
Because…
The Heroic group looks up the mechanics of the fight, pays attention, doesn’t stand in “fire”, does more than just “pew-pew”, and actually listens when someone says (in an in game chat channel or in a voice chat system) what needs to be done to win.
LFR “raiders” do none of that. They queue, are oblivious to the mechanics, if someone tries to give some direction in chat they say “it’s LFR, gogogogo”, they don’t hit the right targets because they know nothing about the fight, they stand in everything, pay zero attention.
I mean, how much can that be countered with more and more nerfs?
I hadn’t gone into LFR N’Zoth, so I finally did, and I did not kill him. I only went once. I got into a group that had probably fallen apart numerous times since they had 10 stacks of determination already. I went through 5 attempts that failed. And the fail was because no one was killing the right things or paying any attention at all.
That cannot be fixed with more and more difficulty nerfs, unless the nerf leaves us with a room with N’Zoth in the middle, no mechanics and everyone just enters and pew-pews until he’s dead with nothing going on at all.
The fight is ridiculously easy already. LFR “raiders” just need to learn to read and pay attention, and be a little patient so someone can tell them what needs to be done on the harder bosses (that aren’t even hard).
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LFR in a nutshell 100%, you said it perfectly.
What’s hard is LFRaiders REFUSE to listen to what to do and think “bashing boss to death” is how you beat it, ignoring mechanics. These fake raiders don’t want to do or care about mechanics and just want loot for no effort.
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Not surprised since people wanna be like that in heroics and normal dungeons.
LFR Nzoth is an actual joke mechanically. Kill the things, dont stand in things and if you are in the down group go down. The only issue with LFR Nzoth is that the rest of the bosses dont have mechanics that actually matter, so players expect to face roll through without trying.
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