Not thrilled with the so called dungeon finder

[Aurumai-grobbulus]

@Jeynar-mannoroth

@Aurumai-grobbulus

it was also added very late in the game.

And this is why I said ~48%.

That’s not very late by any meaning of the words.

It was only available for about 25% of the content in the game. If it wasn’t one of the very longest content droughts in WoW’s history, that also would’ve been about how much of Wrath’s lifetime if existed for as well.

And even stepping back from that point, even if it was exactly 50/50 and didn’t mostly exist in a content drought that was surely never planned to be that long, it wouldn’t change the fact that it was a controversial change that many people look back on in disdain.

I don’t fault anyone for thinking that it should be in Wrath Classic, but at the same time, it’s absolutely clownish for anyone to fault those of us who think it shouldn’t be.

@Jeynar-mannoroth

Do it then, follow your own argument to it’s logical conclusion.

Not my argument. Just the one you’re trying to provoke. In a world where we have to try and glean anything specifically about dungeon finder from the sub count:

• In all of WoW’s history there was never a dip in subs until after dungeon finder was implemented,
• Before dungeon finder, the subs showed consistent growth and retention. After dungeon finder, the subs showed consistent losses.
• For dungeon finder’s entire lifetime within the officially published numbers, WoW only ever saw 4 increases in subs, and every single one of them coincided with a major content release or an expansion launch,

If we try to read any implications specifically about dungeon finder from the sub count over the years (we shouldn’t), the evidence is overwhelmingly negative, and the only pieces of that could be construed as positive for the tool can much more easily and logically be attributed to other things.

There is no real evidence that specifically points to dungeon finder, good or bad, in the sub counts, but anyone who thinks so is sorely mistaken if they think it favors the system.

@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

@Aurumai-grobbulus

It is literally a universal, undeniable truth.

You clueless fool that’s not even slightly true. People often choose the harder path because it works better or simply for the extra challenge.

LMAO

You heard it here first folks, Miregrim earnestly believes that the easiest path isn’t the most trodden. I might’ve insulted you back, but now I’d just feel guilty about it.

@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

@Aurumai-grobbulus

Wrath Classic’s LFG tool works absolutely fine

You can claim that all you want. As I said before I’ll just think you’re lying.

Well I guess that is a completely moot point then. Nice conversation.

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@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

I never said anything about efficiency. I didn’t even use the word once. This is just more bs you’re pulling out of your az because you have nothing rational to say.

L _{O L}

@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

Your argument always fails because it assumes that the path of least resistance is bad and people only choose it because they are lazy. In almost every case the path of least resistance is the better path. People choose it because they are intelligent. Almost all the advances we see in the world today are because engineers etc are constantly finding better ways of doing things more efficiently. The average person today has wealth the exceeds the imagination of people centuries ago. And its all because people have worked to make more and better paths of least resistance.

^ That post and this post unedited as of 2023-03-01T13:00:00Z ^

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@Miregrim-bloodsail-buccaneers

If you think forming a group is fun I pity you. Only someone completely desperate for social contact could possibly find such trivial and meaningless socialization valuable. People who have real friends and actual social interactions don’t attach meaning to the tedium of finding a group. It’s pathetic that you do. You need to find a good therapist and not try to use the game to fill the hole left by your lack of actual social interactions.

Yeah, I totally need therapy because I enjoy more communication in an MMO rather than less.

Meanwhile, you’re clearly the well-adjusted one, calling other people online mentally ill because they enjoy the old design of an old video game, after calling your own words "just more bs you’re pulling out of your az because you have nothing rational to say." when quoted back to you.

What’s it like to be a living, breathing meme?