I’m better than you tbh. I would out tank you. I would out heal you and I would out dps you. I want RDF still.
I was doing 7k+ dps in original Wrath Naxx. None of these streamers have hit that number. I would dominate most of you.
oh you WOULD but you wont be playing so i dont have to worry about it <3
Most people who say this quit because their garbage and their ego cant handle the blue numbers they get.
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So I’m kind of coming around to what I think you’re saying. I don’t go into dungeons to chat it up with strangers. But there is a distinct difference in attitude towards people who are social to any extent in an RDF culture vs LFG culture. And that is by design and filtered through the community’s tendency to min/max. If people are disposable as and easily replaced, the min/max strat is often not kind to those who subtract from the exp/hour.
In an LFG environment, if a player makes small talk it is often reciprocated and this can turn strangers into friends and playmates either in the short or long term. In retail’s RDF, small talk is shut down and met with “shut up”, ignored, or in more extreme cases the player is simply kicked. There are other factors that make retails design antisocial, such as personal loot, but it is all under one umbrella philosophy.
The inconvenience of having to find people to play with in LFG encourages players to not bail the second theres a wipe or someone isn’t completely familiar with the content. This commitment creates an environment where people get cozier with one another.
The player community is already rotting itself from the inside out though. A couple days ago people left the lfg dungeon because we weren’t spellcleaving. PVPers reporting people who aren’t geared or underleveled is also toxic as hell. Maybe the boat on a friendly and inviting community has sailed long before the prospect of RDF being added early.
You don’t need to because I refuse to take your spot in your guild without RDF being in the game.
wooooooosh good i certainly dodged a bullet with that one im sure
Enjoy whatever game you do play tho!
So what are we supposed to do as proof? Should I dps a target dummy for 30 minutes to prove that I dominate you through logs?
Farewell for now, mortal. We’ll see you again soon.
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id probably O real hard if you did that daddy
I don’t really want 14 year olds calling me daddy.
dont worry daddy im older than wow is
Good thing you admit to me being your daddy.
yassss dadddy pls
u n me tbh <3
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I actually completely agree with you, so please don’t misunderstand me or strawman my argument. There’s a ton of features in Wrath Classic that wouldn’t belong if we were getting an “authentic experience”. But RDF on release would be among those. My issue isn’t with RDF. It’s with people positioning RDF on release day as part of the authentic experience to make those who don’t want feel small. It’s actually part of #somechanges though.
A 5 second google search confirms this. People don’t have to misrepresent RDF as something its not. Its ok to be a regular down to earth guy and say “even though RDF wasn’t out on release and it would technically be different from the original experience, I think it improves the dungeon experience so much that I’d like to see it added earlier.”
Instead we have liars in here threatening Blizz with their measly 15 bucks because the game isn’t launching with a feature that it didn’t launch with the first time around - and calling themselves the representatives of “authentic Wrath” and #nochanges.
Ok, I hear your opinion. I can’t discuss retail since I quit about 5 years ago. I can’t say how it is now. But my experience in wrath, cata, and mop with rdf was no different socially than my experience in vanilla and BC. Even when lfr was added it didn’t change my experience since I was in a good guild and we did the normal raids. Maybe it was just some left over energy that took a while to wear off. Maybe it took until legion or some other later expansion for it to get as terrible as you claim. But my experience with rdf is that the game was just as social for me as it was before rdf.
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And, again, not being in at launch has not mattered for the past three years. And still doesn’t…except for RDF. And Blizz has said IT WILL NEVER BE IN WRATH CLASSIC.
Why do the anti-lfd people always gloss over that fact? Because they know it completely invalidates this “it wasn’t in at launch” nonsense, since it will never be in Wrath Classic.
Personally I’m fine with it not being in at launch. I think it would be better when Ulduar gets added. It would be good with ToC. It would be acceptable with ICC. It is not okay to not have it at all.
As far as calling people liars for saying they’re quitting…that’s just silly trolling. Be better than that. Plenty of people will quit over it, and plenty stayed away because of it. Running heroics over and over was the defining experience of Wrath for many players, and that is being removed. So, it removes a lot of players from the game.
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I mean you can take Blizzard at their word, but they have an interesting track record with that to say the least.
My enjoyment of the game doesn’t come down to RDF being in the game or not. But people are so vitriolic on this issue that half of the discourse is unintelligible. And when pushed on any of their opinions and posts, they start saying some real outlandish stuff.
That’s fine, but for many players it does come down to that. You don’t have to agree with it, but don’t pretend like it doesn’t exist. Don’t call people liars because something they find very important has been removed. How do you think people are going to respond when you act that way.
Step back and realize people value different things. What you find idiotic might mean a great deal to someone.
I wish Blizz understood that as well, but clearly they don’t. It’s the very Retail design of “Play how we want you to play.”
No, Blizz, you don’t know what I enjoy better than I do. I loved Wrath and I want Wrath. And RDF was a huge part of Wrath for me. It’s that simple.
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see, i think what folks are failing to realize is simply this… we dont have to pay a monthly sub to play wrath, we dont have to pay a monthly sub for an mmo anymore… theres other options out there that dont require a monthly. their stated intent at releasing classic wrath wad to get folks back to relive their wrath experience. taking away RDF isnt a complete game killer for some but does tilt the scales for alot of people that were considering coming back. there is sooooo much more competition now than then, what with private servers hosting to thousands of players, the survival mmo genre perking up, other fantasy mmos having tools like RDF that make things a little simpler for the casual player to maximize their efforts for limited amounts of time.
personally, i want RDF back simply because it was a very positive experience for me and allowed me to help out alot of others in getting runs just by running my tank in RDF. I am undecided in whether i will stay or go yet, will wait and see.
But i will tell you this, having attempted to be LFG chat on 3 different servers… ive been driven out by the abusive, perverse, racist, and political garbage that ive seen in all of them. having used the lfg tool to only be denied runs because i dont have exactly the gear set someone thinks i should have at my level, being told im stupid for running a certain class, and all in all wasting 4 hours of my life to never get a run… I am now and will forever be PRO RDF. without it, i wont ever run anything but guild runs.
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Dawg, this thread is about people wanting it added before release in 2 weeks. You must have this thread confused with a more reasonable version of this thread that says “We want RDF at some point into this expansion”.
I’m in here waffle stomping special kinds of stupid, not people who want RDF at some point. And EVEN IF people want it early - fine. great even! But don’t make others sound stupid by saying your changes to the original experience is in fact the “authentic experience.”
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