But every bad tank I’ve seen in 30+ heroic dungeons has been a Paladin. WTF is going on with that class?
I main tanked as a paladin in Wrath, Paladin’s were above and beyond great tanks but this isn’t Wrath this is Cata and it’s the beginning of an expansion.
Druid, Warrior, DK all seem to have their business together but every Paladin tank I’ve seen has been a struggle. Over pulling, 0 healer mana pulls, standing and face tanking mechanics.
It may be lack of experience, I’m a 351 Holy Pally/343 Prot and I can personally say I try to avoid tanking. A lot of Paladins I’ve seen tanking refuse to use basic cooldowns. Like as it is right now you need to be popping cooldowns on trash. Holy shield = 20% Block chance on 30sec cd. Bubble is 20% Damage reduction on a 1min cd. People just wont use them for some reason.
Whenever you go from most op to dumpster tier two things happen. One, the really good players go to the next OP class, Blood DK, creating a talent shift. Two, really bad players carried by being OP are suddenly exposed for being bad.
I’ve had an alright time tanking on my paladin, but then again I watch my healer’s mana per pull and don’t go overboard. It’s been weird with holy shield functioning like shield block on warrior, since I do tanking on both, it’s a big change to get used to not hitting holy shield every 8-10 seconds to keep that up. Honestly it just takes a little practice to be at least okay at it. I do definitely prefer Prot Pally in Cata over Wrath though, just feels better for what I’m more used to, which is Warrior.
Feels like the really bad ones leveled dps and threw together whatever they could find for a tank set at max level and expect things to go well.
Paladins need to use their defensives on cooldown now. If they don’t, they will die so fast.
Alternate pulls, Holy Shield one pull, D prot the next. Save Divine guardian for large pulls. Using Word of Glory can help as well, because prot threat is so good you can save a 3 HP WOG for a spot heal.
It’s almost pride month so everyone rolling paladins.
After reading the first four replies, I’ll just say this one came out of… nowhere.
I’d say it’s early and they have a terrible tool kit for dungeons. I hear they scale really well and can be a good Raid tank. It’s just I guess they need gear and not having many tools to control mobs really shows right now.
As a Prot War I can control everything which means I need less mitigation. I can silence one caster, charge the other and silience. They now group together and bam, shockwave stun them all. Spread bleeds to everything ohhh caster is trying to cast stun again. Pack is dead.
I shelved my Prot Pally and he’s just a JC alt now. Idk I feel like they lost a lot. Conc on a 30 sec CD feels weird. I also PvP and they are just in a wheel chair so maining my Prot War. Again apparently Pally scales well but… that’s months from now.
Prot War is just feels good. Tons of tools, can zip around, great damage. Apparently they suck in Raids though so guess there is something for everyone.
I agree, I love healing Warriors in heroic they are awesome tanks and their aoe pulling and management is really solid now. I was a prot Pally in wrath and decided instead of benching mine to just go Holy instead. Been a great shift so far.
Prot paladins are the best raid tank in P1. BDK doesn’t take off until the end of p2. You’ll see in raids. Your BDK mistimes their DS once and they’ll get crushed like a crouton because they don’t have mitigation outside of armor(fairly tiny parry/dodge chance this early). Shields mitigate a surprising amount of dmg overall as long as the shield tank is stacking mastery early on to make it reliably block often.
That’s how it used to work. It adds 20% BLOCK VALUE now. Which means while it is up the prot paladin is mitigating 50% physical dmg from blocks, hence why prot needs to stack mastery so their abilities like this can benefit from reliable block chance.
No lol.
At no point is Prot Pal ever above Blood DK just stop. I know you have this agenda to try and say Blood isn’t God tier. You are just completely wrong. Blood is by far the best P1 Raid tank. Blood Dk solo’s you don’t need an off tank and you technically don’t even need a healer. They are God tier for a reason.
Prot Pal doesn’t get good till much latter because they scale really well. End of the expansion they can become a Main Tank. They still don’t have tools for dungeons.
Speaking of. On this topic I always explain my reasoning. You just go, “nu uh” without ever explaining. You clearly have an agenda, so pot meet kettle.
Triple target silence, multiple stuns, multiple CDs for dmg reduction, reliable blocking, buffs, dmg reduction CD for group…
You really just sound silly
I think one of the big changes to prot pallies that has made them harder to play is that they have so many defensive CDs… probably more than any other class. And with so many CDs they can put one up every single pull. And so many prot paladins just aren’t doing that. Instead they’re thinking… if I pop a CD I can pull 3 pulls… when perhaps I could only handle one.
I don’t think there’s a big problem with the spec, it’s all the players who are used to being literal gods.
You do not.
I always explain. What are you even talking about? Blood DK is God tier even in P1 and they can Solo. Raid groups will have 1 Blood DK as tank and not use an off Tank and just have a feral. Some groups could even not bring a healer and just have an extra Dps because the Blood DK “Solo’s”
Enough explanation for you? Good. Just like the other thread you just don’t listen. Blood Dk’s are playing a different game and their mastery is just far superior and they have twice as many defensives.
They really should buff other Tanks otherwise they just don’t get to see content and are forced to roll Dps in Raids.
Funny, Paladin is the only good tank I’ve seen so far. DKs are riding on their OP status, Druids are managing but slow as molasses, and Warrior is the only tank I’ve seen so far in Cata actually be kicked for not being able to do their job
Explain what makes them god tier
Scroll up. I swear your trolling has no ends. Just gonna ignore ya and focus on real discussions. Not gonna let you waste my time. Good luck.
Saying “because they are god tier, everyone will have one” is not an explanation as to what makes them “god tier”. Actual 
Pally has the hardest time though maybe Druid too. Lack of tool kit for dungeons shows right now and defensives don’t make it smoother. Granted if you have good Dps then this compensates for Pally weak dungeon kit. Then they can just tank.
I could see that if someone is new to them but Prot War has by far the best dungeon kit of any tank. They have unmatched control and movement to zip around. Also incredible damage. When Dps are really lacking with CC or doing their job it doesn’t matter.
the amount of ret paladins trying to get fast queues and they went tank because they think they dont need to worry too much when the healer just has to heal them…
I would put every tank and dps that stands on things and expect healing to heal with 329 ilvl on heroics… lets see how they view the world after that…