hmmm i have never thought about mine farming there this is good to know ty
Yes I’m aware. That doesn’t mean there isn’t another common sense approach that is equally valid. Or a modification of said approach (which is what I suggested).
I agree. I never said the guy was wrong. I said he’s failing to account for a critical factor. You be right and still not see the whole picture that leads to you not succeeding as well as you could have. Obviously there’s no 100% on this. I’m merely stating an obvious common sense factor that he isn’t addressing.
You’re still not understanding what I said. I never said he was wrong. I said he’s failing to account for the fact that long term ban waves don’t do enough to prevent botting still being profitable. It is simple logic to say shorter intervals between waves would therefore be more effective. As for the actual time frame, that’s something only blizz can determine. But the evidence shows that botting is still alive and strong across all forms of wow. So clearly there is room for improvement in their approach.
At the end of the day, they need to attack the profitability factor. And you don’t need to have worked for wow or be an expert to know that.
what?
no.
this is perfectly fine for people to do.
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welcome to retail, where multitap permits multiple people to use the node at once.
so… not only are you wrong, you’re choosing to be belligerent to everyone at the same time?
it’s attitudes like this which are causing the game to lose subs, not the companies stance on multiboxing.
it does affect me when you have 10+ botted multiboxers grinding the same quest mobs I NEED TO DO TO PROGRESS IN DRAGONFLIGHT.
Well multi-boxers and bots pay sub fees. Doing more, means cutting into the revenue Blizzard receives from WoW.
Which is why you have ban waves instead of immediately banning bots. It’s why they have cut back on GM’s who could ban bots.
Because Blizzard doesn’t want to get rid of them, only tax them.
They have become a part of WoW’s economy. The game is balanced around bots farms. You see it every expansion. Profitable farms get nerfed so that they are no longer profitable solo.
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No it doesn’t. There is nothing wrong (as far as Blizzard is currently concerned) with people having more than one account and playing them at the same time - as long as there is someone hitting keys and telling the characters what to do. It’s only when it is automated that its against their rules.
It doesn’t accomplish the same thing as automated mboxing because they can be off doing something else altogether and it allowed people to operate far larger numbers of account characters at the same time than anyone can physically do using the method mentioned.
If you think the multiboxers are an issue in The Forbidden Reach, wait until you see the insane amount of bots roaming around the Zaralek Caverns; there is truly an obscene amount of them farming as if nothing would happen…
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Ban wave Vs immediate bans has already been covered
Nightly bans = easier for botters to evade detection as they can get daily updates on what changes do and don’t work
3-6month ban waves = harder to tell why or when it was detected, big blowback from botting customers all at once
The rest of your post was just conspiracy theory with the only basis being “revenue go up! Company likes revenue going up!”
Which puts it on about the same level as people who think companies ask you to donate to charities through them so the company can “claim the tax refund!” because “number go up, so they would obviously do it!”
That’s just PR that you swallow hook, line and sinker.
Ban waves mean that botters can make a profit. Which means they just count the ban waves as a cost of doing business.
Immediately banning bots is the only way to get rid of them because they can no longer make money botting.
So the guy who no longer works for blizzard (and was in this department) and will happily criticise them is continuing to run positive PR for them?
So the best way to combat bots is to let them make money for 3 months and then ban them?
You know its relatively easy to create a new account, yes? Just spend the relatively small amount to buy the game and then use the gold created and saved on other accounts to pay for the sub, buy a boost or two and they are off and running. Gold farmers make their money by selling gold and/or hacking the accounts of people who buy their gold. Losing accounts is just part of their business outgoings.
You managed to miss the point.
The point is ban them before they can make a profit instead of ensuring that they are profitable by only banning them a few times every year.
I’m not sure how that could be done, realistically. People say things like, have some GMs sitting around waiting for reports to be sent to them and then jumping onto the server and banning them. Despite there obviously has to be a process to firstly ensure its the right characters, check their activity logs to see if they were doing whatever the report said they were doing, talk to them to see if there is someone running the character, try a couple of times to interact with them in case the first time was missed, check their history and do whatever other account checks the company does to ensure they aren’t punishing some poor innocent farmer, etc. It’s not as simple as hitting a ‘ban’ button.
I’m guessing a lot more checking goes on behind the scenes than we have any real idea about.
In an eternal arms race? Both Blizzard and square Enix seem to think so.
Detecting bots is one way of fighting it.
Other ways might be “legalising” gold buying (tokens) or limiting what you can buy (stopping carries)
Also I dunno if I could imagine how costly it would be for the man hours to cover “immediate” (daily?) detection and actioning.
I bet the $15 a month from each bot probably doesn’t cover that much when you take into account the customers eating up time and effort with their dumb tickets and forum posts when they get hacked or the cost of countering botting, but I dunno.
So that would prevent me from loading a toon on server A on account 1 and another toon on server B on account 2 so I could do a cross realm trade.
By this thinking if you and your buddy were farming together that is also an exploit.
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If that were the intention they would ban mulitboxing…
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I blame the Level Boost Service. It facilitates botting sooooo much; to the point that doing 1, 3 or 5 ban waves a year does absolutely nothing. The Level Boost will have your local bot train playing again in no time!