We all know how it’ll unfold, and I don’t think you’ll be happy with it.
It’ll start with Turalyon being the best thing for the Alliance since Lothar. Like, legitimately pursuing peace, but also decimating any Horde forces that encroach on Alliance territories, and discussing it with the Horde council, making sure there are no misunderstandings, that these were the acts of those who operated outside of the Horde’s command. Turalyon will single-handedly solve economic, resource, and manpower crises with aplomb. The year(s) we’re gone in the Shadowlands, Azeroth is going to prosper because of him.
Then the Fire Nation attacked Lightforged Draenei from AU Draenor arrive with Yrel, Xe’ra, and Exarch Garrosh Hellscream. Turalyon will be Lightbound like the Orcs were, as will other Alliance leaders and forces, and Xe’ra will begin her crusade, using them as puppets.
We come back and the only way to free Turalyon from Xe’ra’s control is to kill him. Afterwards Alliance and Horde (especially Horde) will mourn together at his funeral (Talanji specifically will be written to say something about him being better than the Loa for the Zandalari or something cringe-worthy).
And then Anduin gives the eulogy and everyone forgets Turalyon and loves him instead.
Um, solarion, please stop god moding blizzards lore! You have no idea what you’re talking about and what you’re doing is illegal as outlined in the Geneva conventions against war crimes. I’m calling the police
I used to play (accidentally came across) the Dragonball card game…
one of the cards was
“Dream Machine Battle” Start over, this battle never happened.
just add ‘wake up in a cold sweat’ and there you go. pvp.
That third paragraph was cursed and made me cringe because of just how abysmally bad it would be and how much it would royally anger the troll community.
Mhmm, not to mention all considered, the lore suffering of Nelves at the hand of the Horde is recent.
the EK Alliance literally makes trolls suffer as a hobby to the point it’s a major part of their lore that after the troll wars they treat the amani as wild game to hunt. For all that has happened to Nelves, that isn’t one of them. Nelves have also been allowed to actually have the last laugh a few times. Trolls literally get nice things only to have them tarnished to make someone else look cool.
Le’ts be fair; it’s mutual antagonism and has been since the dawn of times. Trolls see so much as a pile of dirt and declare that it’s their ancestral homeland and then fight you to the death over it. Thousands of years of hostilities tends to result in some pretty bad blood.
That said, it’s interesting that when the Trolls leave well enough alone, they don’t get bothered. There aren’t any noted attempts by anyone to actually conquer Zul’Aman itself.
That’s not to say the Trolls are purely at fault, far from it. I don’t think they’ve ever even tried diplomacy. They see someone, declare the land those people are on is ancestral troll land, and start a war.
Eeeh. Not really. There are numerous occassions in Warcraft Cronicle where humans have gone “Lets expands… that land.” points at Gurubashi or forest troll land
Not exactly like the Alliance even bothered to try diplomacy with trolls either. coughs at BfA with imprisoning Talanji and then rather than diplomatic pressure or the sort, they skip straight to trying to be foreign tyrants to the Zandas and use fearmongering tactics on Vulpera
The Gurubashi War with Stormwind started with conflicts as a result of humans moving into what would later be known as Duskwood, bordering on Stranglethorn. The war actually began in earnest when the humans killed the Warlord of the Gurubashi.
Talanji being the princess of a power that has, repeatedly, been shown to be quite hostile to the rest of the world. Zul attempted to bring back the Gurubashi and Amani Empires, and then tried to bring back Lei Shen the Thunder King in Pandaria when that failed. You can’t blame Stormwind for imprisoning Zul and Talanji as figureheads of an enemy nation.
Well, you could with Talanji save for the fact that the Alliance had no way of knowing Zul was operating on his own rather than on behalf of King Rastakan. That’s not to say Rastakan hadn’t given Zul his go-ahead to pursue those conflicts, just that he didn’t order them himself.
As for the Vulpera, I feel like the jury is out on this one. You get two very different stories here. On the Horde you see Alliance burning Vulpera alive. On Alliance, you see soldiers burning the caravans used to transport Horde supplies around the continent, and scare the Vulpera off with special totems.
Personally, I’d have gone with Umbric and the Void Elves waging psychological warfare on the Zandalari as an example of something far more sinister and evil. They justify it well, of course. By breaking Zandalari morale there should be less fighting and fewer deaths on both sides. Unfortunately, it’s still psychological warfare and downright evil.
Its not the type of magic you use, it’s how you use it that makes you evil. The Scarlet Crusade isn’t automatically good for wielding the Light, after all.
Void Elves are evil for using void magic in evil ways, like waging psychological warfare.
idk, that void invasion from N’zoth says we shouldn’t trust Velves. Seems like a legit train of thought here given it’s far more recent than anything not Forsaken.
Well, let’s be honest, has there ever been a race in this game less deserving of trust from anyone? First of all, they’re with the elves who left the Alliance after the Second War, and then joined the Horde. THEN, they got kicked out of Quel’Thalas and betrayed the Horde by joining the Alliance. They’ve already turned coat twice.
Add onto that the fact that they were being transformed into void monstrosities and only avoided that fate by an interrupted ritual, and only AFTER that (while their minds are already being assaulted by maddening whispers) were they trained how to effectively wield the void and control the whispers that’d drive them into the arms of… oh I don’t know… pick an Old God.
That’s going to be a hard yes there boss. It’s a bit hard to beat your people constantly saying “Death to the Living” when you’re the only non-living group.
I think it’s arguable that the Forsaken, at least when they started, had a modicum of trustworthiness in so far that, no one could doubt their desire to destroy the Scourge and get vengeance for their fate. It’s everything after that which spiraled horribly.
Still, the Forsaken can easily go in a new more refreshing direction. I’m hoping to see it. In the most recent novel there was a Forsaken Apothecary who kind of reminded me of the Game of Thrones Maesters. That’d be a pretty interesting direction to take the Royal Apothecary Society, and demonstrate a new direction for Forsaken culture as well.
I guess my point is, there is a narrative where, if I personally found myself on Azeroth by some Isekai nonsense, I could find it in me to trust a Forsaken. There is no circumstance I could see myself trusting a Void Elf short of them being completely purged of the Void and cut off from using it at all, at which point, they’re not even Void Elves anymore. Even then I’d be extremely wary of just how much of a number the whispers did on their psyche.
I recently wrote a detailed summary of that event. The TL;DR is this:
The Alliance did not want to attack Vulpera, but they wanted to stop the transport of Horde War supplies. The fighting is between hired caravan guards and Alliance pyromancers. The Alliance is burning the caravan wagons, but they don’t have anyone in there, as noncombatants have been removed. However, to the vulpera, even though the Alliance isn’t attacking noncombatants, they are still burning the vulpera’s homes, and that’s almost as bad. There is no indication that the Alliance tried diplomacy or economic agreement.