Nostalgia is dangerous

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Bingo. Catering to the lowest denominator is one of the big killers of game quality, whereas older games were focused at what was a small demographic of nerds.

Another major reason older games are better is that many of them were moddable. Many games these days do not allow modding (FFXIV) or are these ‘always online’ competitive e-sport things that you can’t mod anyway. The new generation of gamers are oblivious to how much mods and custom content extend the life of a game, and what a different experience it is to be to able tinker with something. (Hence why I mentioned Morrowind, a game that has only gotten bigger and better 20 years later thanks to modders)

Now almost all of it has become soulless, mass-produced junk.

Everything in life is becoming like that now. Have to keep up with 2323823 different things being put up on 4373823 different sites all going at the speed of light, while rushing around from 20 different places. Eat in car in 3 seconds, all microwave or fast food crap because god forbid you take time to cook something, you lazy slacker. Look at texts while watching movie, playing game, and have music going all at once. Don’t look at the flowers, don’t pay attention to where you are. Who cares about that crap anyway? It’s meaningless fluff. Just GOGOGO.

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By 2045 we’ll be taking an endless mushmeal stream of AI-generated content directly through our skullports

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I’m simply reading what i’ve been given here with your messages you have replied to me and other people here.

I think you’re more or less just not expecting people to disagree with you because you said “nostalgia is dangerous”. And considering you yet to respond to my other points i’ve bought up, even avoiding the “there are more old games that are better then the new games” and the reasons i’ve said in there, i’m leaning more towards you being incompetent in trying to make a convincing argument or tackling any point people made rather then malice.

You said that i’m thinking you have malice as the intention. Maybe instead of deflecting, try to attack my and other people’s character or dismiss it into copout answers like “We all have opinions” which doesn’t do you any favors here, you actually tackle the arguments presented before you?

You want people to not think it’s malice? then don’t give them a reason to. :man_shrugging:

Now here’s the comments you’ve skipped here. Please read at your leisure. :point_down:

If it doesn’t bother you, why bring this up then?

/sips his 4th cup of coffee for the day. :coffee:

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Everything in moderation friend, too much of anything is dangerous, no matter what it is!

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It’s going to regress back to Medieval style where people only lived like to 30. The GOGOGO will be so intense people’s lifespans will shorten. You lived to 50?? OMG you’re sooo slow you awkward weirdo! I did all the AI-content by the time I was 10!

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Didn’t the op make another thread saying this exact thing?

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This one you mean Merlina? :point_down:

From what i’ve seen here, 4 days ago, it’s somewhat simular to what he’s talking about, but he’s talking about remasters here. I’ve noticed he also used a “Stop living in the past” line as well there.

Also i just found out that he made the “Gaming companies need to DCMA streamers and youtubers” Thread almost a year ago. Yikes.

Yeah, i agree, let’s give gaming companies the ability to falsely DMCA take down streamers and youtubers in the middle of the year where Sony was doing the same thing with the Last of Us Part 2 leaks. :crazy_face: /s

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I thought the whole ranting about old games and telling people to stop living in the past looked familiar. Ya that is the thread.

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I do and older games are not better not even in the least your in a nostalgia trap in my opinion. I’m doing y’all a favor by being perfectly clear that your trapped and nostalgia is dangerous.

For me personally though I need y’all to stop buying up all these remasters and tone down the utter bs that old games are better because they are not.

I don’t blame blizzard at all for providing a profitable product but it’s really taking over gaming. And your responses are exactly why Blizzard doesn’t talk to us anymore or take any chances on new games because basically the entire gaming community is Treading water in a giant pool of nostalgia.

Now check your crazy because this is just my observation and your still going to keep getting remasters as long as you keep buying them. I wish and suggest you don’t but it’s obviously up to you.

If we all want new games we need to start supporting new games and ideas or we will get more of the same.

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if they made something new that was not crap I’d gladly support it, I’m not going to support it just because it’s new is that what your suggesting? (reward bad design) till they come out with that fun game, the old stuff is still fun to play and filler till they can release something good.

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Now it’s just my opinion but streamers are already getting “DCMA” because now major game developers won’t talk to anyone or release any information anymore. I personally feel that streamers cause a lot of the disappointments with new games because they criticize everything developers do. I am perfectly all for DCMA when it comes to making money off ideas you didn’t produce. Same flipping thing happened to music once everyone was pirating everything now we basically have nothing but cookie cutter mainstream music available to us.

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GTA SA, Need for Speed Underground 2, The Sims 3, Minecraft, Morrowind, Assassin’s Creed 2, Far Cry 3, Doom 1993, Left 4 Dead 2, Spyro.

Name me 10 examples of newer games being better then older games here.

Well you’re not doing a good job of convincing us that.

Cool, good for you. Let us buy the remasters or remakes if we want to.

I think you’re just looking at this from the wrong angle here. It’s not about the age or newness of games, but more or less what games are focusing on that is now the rule then the exception. Buggy releases, poor work etetics, monetization up the wazoo, online drm for single-player, and a bunch of other anti-consumer things.

…Can you explain how my responses are exactly why Blizzard doesn’t talk to us anymore? It just sounds like you’re putting the blame on me for no real reason at all here. I didn’t do jack and jill to make Blizzard think and do a certain way here. I buy the products if i’m interested or like and that is that. Is it because i’m not going out of my way to gatekeep people?.. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Plus, off the topic of Blizzard, i bought Maneater when it was released on Steam finally and enjoyed it immensely. I’m quite capable to going to concepts that have been either rarely done or never have visited myself.

Just off the top of my head, the only remakes i’ve actually bought in the last 2 years was Destroy All Humans and Spyro. Both excellent games mind you. Heck, i didn’t even play Destory All Humans back in the day, so the remake is a new game for me (plus it had a demo to play with, another thing that new games don’t do these days).

If your talking about remasters as in the same exact game but with higher textures and 64 bit support, they either come free with the purchase of the old version (like with skyrim, or Mafia 2), or i didn’t buy them, because really, they offer nothing new to the experience, but to bring it to more modern hardware.

You do realize were still going to get both right? It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

Plus are we going to ignore the fact that sometimes a new game isn’t going to be much different from the other games? I mean take Uncharted, the Last of Us and Order 1886. They have different stories, different gameplay elements, different setting and such, but functionally, their pretty much the same. Meanwhile, what game is like Spyro? What game is like DAH? What game is like Maneater even? (Besides Jaw Unleashed because their leagues apart different)

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You cant see it bro the games you listed where good at the time my friend they are the past.

Are they still fun for you? obviously.

But I do not want to play those games anymore and the developers really don’t want to make them again.

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I loved Spyro. 15 years ago. If it was released new, now, I would not.

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I agree living in the past will not get anyone anywhere, people will choose to waste their time where ever they please. In the end, we’re all ticking down to our inevitable deaths anyways. May as well do whatever makes you happiest and ignore everyone else who tries to stop you.

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I’m a mountain dew abuser myself lol

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They are still good. They even hold up well, still getting glowing praise as time goes on.

Plus look at the newer games, how you think they are going looked upon 10 years later down the road?

Being new or being old doesn’t have any inherent positive or negative attributes. Infact, that is completely independent from that. They are only labeled good or bad depending on how well they do.

Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1+2 isn’t better because it’s new. It’s better then the sorry excuse that Robomodo has made prior. I mean using this logic, you’re saying that Tony Hawk Pro skater HD or even 5 is good because it’s new for it’s time.

They are still fun for a lot of people. Still being sold even.

Well that’s just you friend.

And that’s assuming on your part. You really don’t know what a developer wants to do.

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Right now gaming is stalled by games as a service and remasters. Think Skyrim, Bethesda kept repackaging it and improving visuals because people keep buying it. You even have old ladies begging Bethesda for a sequel so they can play it before they die.

They gave us Warcraft reforged now imagine how amazing it would of been if we got a new Warcraft RPG and believe me Blizzard could make a new RPG and would if they couldn’t get away with selling us Nostalgia.

Now Blizzard is going to sell us Diablo 2 again for crying out loud when they are fully aware Diablo 4 is what we want. Google build value and business. Companies manipulate the customer. For example it’s COMMON practice and advised for auto repair shops to exaggerate how long a repair takes to justify a price to the point they flat out fix your vehicle and store it sometimes for days to justify repair costs.

I want to add none of this is Blizzards fault or illegal they are just making smart business decisions. After all nothing wrong with making a profit off one’s property.

I had to edit out companies lie all the time, what I really mean is companies always try to tell customers what they want to here because consumers are some vicious people these days.

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“The good old days weren’t always good
Tomorrow’s not as bad as it seems.”

– Billy Joel, Keeping the Faith

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Well at least you aknowledged 1 of the problems of the gaming industry right now.

But i still don’t see an issue with remasters. Maybe your alluding to the fact that Activision is setting a potentially dangerous precedence with their remakes/remasters from the previous games i’ve mentioned. That’s the only way i can see how it’s problematic. That and Skyrim Special edition also has MTX.

Except that was a while ago, and Bethesda is still putting out new games.

I think if you want a perfect example of this just putting out the same game over and over with no new games, you shouldn’t look no further then Rockstar. Their last new game was Red Dead Redemption 2, after that, it’s GTA 5 on the 9th gen consoles. And mind you, it’s not because they are remastering or more accurately, porting the game, it’s because GTA online is way too profitable for them to not port it to the PS5. They once awhile ago, sought to make nearly games year after year.

You do realize their selling us Nostalgia either way by using a very long time going IP right?

Again, what’s wrong with having both here? nothing is being stagnated here and Diablo 4 is going to happen regardless if Diablo 2 remake exists. :man_shrugging:

Plus, i wouldn’t worry about Diablo 2 Remake overtaking Diablo 4 anytime soon, if their past record is anything to go by. Their pretty much like Rockstar games when it comes to Remasters; Kind of terrible to doesn’t add much of anything.

And nothing is wrong with playing a remaster. I mean this is a thing were not even upset at. If there is something wrong with that, don’t you think we would’ve rejected this a while back?..