Normal and Heroic raids need to get on que finder

[Luuba-myzrael]

@Crudlord-tichondrius

Not surprised nobody wants to invite you.

@Luuba-myzrael

the biggest challenge has been organizing groups and getting everything set up.

I am not joining anyone groups. I am setting up groups.

[Crudlord-tichondrius]

And nobody wants to join you.

What a surprise!

[Powershifts-stormrage]

A system like this cannot be implemented based on ilvl or kill history alone. It is essential that it utilizes personal combat metrics and data in conjunction with machine learning to determine the players to group you with and the content to allow you in. Blizzard has all the data they could need to implement a sophisticated algorithm to build hidden MMR so we could queue into any type of content if you have the skill for it. They just don’t utilize the data this way, yet. Give it another year or two.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Luuba-myzrael

I am not sitting 30 min to form a group and manually check who is qualified and who is not.

But you’ll sit in queue for 30 minutes in an queue? lol okay then

[Egeria-hyjal]

@Luuba-myzrael

Normal and heroic raids should be included in the queue finder with appropriate item level requirements.

How about no, Scott?

[Luuba-myzrael]

@Powershifts-stormrage

Give it another year or two

I agree. Another year or two. We may have a more sophisticated system that allows us to do this.

I am seeing this backward system of setting up groups and checking personal logs and contribution as pretty tedious.

This should be something for a mythic level raider, where your one global decides if you kill the boss or not.

This culture of super elitism needs to take a step back in Normal mode & maybe also Heroics mode.

[Koogris-ashkandi]

[Lemonbrew-moon-guard]

@Luuba-myzrael

I would go a step further and even suggest that players who want to use the normal mode in que.

Need to kill a boss 3 times before using the LFR option for normal.

Now this is a bit strict but this guarantees that a player will understand certain mechanics.

I don’t think this will go over as well as you’re hoping it will. In WoD there was a basic competency test for queueing into heroic dungeons which was proving you had a pulse and an interrupt button by getting proving grounds silver. It was wildly unpopular and wound up getting removed.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Grizzle-eredar

But you’ll sit in queue for 30 minutes in an queue?

I suppose it’s worth it when you know you’ve got that guaranteed win coming from the queue buffs.

[Chymmee-tichondrius]

@Luuba-myzrael

I am not sitting 30 min to form a group and manually check who is qualified and who is not.

Or just apply to one of the dozens of groups until you find one?

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

Yes but there should also be a leader role for people that want to give instructions on bosses

[Sarama-firetree]

@Luuba-myzrael

I am seeing this backward system of setting up groups and checking personal logs and contribution as pretty tedious

If you’re okay with the queue only having an ilevel requirement, why would you be checking anything else?

[Grizzle-eredar]

How else are you going to ensure you’re the only one being carried and not everyone else joining up is wanting the same thing ??

[Luuba-myzrael]

Please stop saying carried. you are not carrying anyone if we are under the same Ilevel and have killed the boss on LFR as many times as blizzard decides we need before we can use the Normal LFR mode

This is a wrong word. This is more suitable for PVP. Not PVE.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Luuba-myzrael

Please stop saying carried

When you die 25 seconds in and reap the rewards or you’re performing at 25% of everyone else in the raid, you’re being carried. LFR bosses and ilvl mean nothing.

Aug evokers are prime examples of that. Most Aug Evokers don’t have a clue how to play their class properly but they know that because of the nature of their spec, they’re almost guaranteed invites.

Carried

[Jofbitanu-zuluhed]

@Luuba-myzrael

your ilevel is well below me to utter these words.

You’re level 58, you can’t even do the current season raids yet, if you’re judging people by their forum alts lol.

Also, I agree adding at least Heroic to a queue is a bad idea. You won’t get the quality of player that you’re expecting via a heroic raid queue, I can promise you that.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

@Rockeater-hellscream

Wanting Normal and Heroic to be like LFR is terrible. It would be an endless nightmare beyond what queued content is already.

Imagine heroic razageth raid finder… it was a struggle just to clear lfr.

[Doness-kargath (Doness)]

@Luuba-myzrael

As you mentioned,

Why’d you have to use CHATGPT? This right here is definitive proof.

[Luuba-myzrael]

@Quivermethis-rexxar

Imagine heroic razageth

Yea clearing 3 times on Normal before you can que for this boss.

Is imaginable. dont cherry pick, use logic.

I already suggested that we can have an internal progression system and and experience check.

The chances of a player completing Razagath on Normal 3 times and then queing for Heroics. Is much higher of him completing.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

@Luuba-myzrael

Yea clearing 3 times on Normal before you can que for this boss.

Is imaginable. dont cherry pick, use logic

That fixes it how?

The same people will afk fights or still do the bare minimum. The amount of 520+ people I would see on raz, fyrakk doing barely anything was incredible.

Its also the stipulation of lfr. Its uber casual. Thats why mechanics are usually non existant and fights essentially are nerfed to the point of patchwerk.

If a system like this goes forward, that same mindset would carry over even worse into normal and heroic.

@Luuba-myzrael

The chances of a player completing Razagath on Normal 3 times and then queing for Heroics. Is much higher of him completing

Who is going to clear it 3 times on norm if their end game is heroic?
Your system is immediately made redundant by lfg premades.