I wouldn’t, don’t you worry. I’m not doing LFR until they revert their debuff changes over there either.
This is why delves are fantastic.
Lol my lock is 608 ilvl and I have pugged my way to 3/8 so far, starting groups.
There are always Normal and Heroic Raids looking for players in the Group Finder.
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Normal raids should be LFR. There shouldn’t be any LFR version. I’m not sure why they needed to add another Tier but they can just remove this. You want to do LFR then it’s a Normal Raid.
/fixed
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which would do nothing. raids aren’t about going in at X ilvl and smashing things. you have to know fights. you have to do mechanics. this obsession with “X ilvl = win” around here is insane.
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I absolutely agree with you, Luuba. This is something Blizzard has been weirdly stubborn about for years, despite clear player sentiment. For the longest time, they resisted adding solo queue for arenas and rated battlegrounds—yet look how that turned out? Players love it. The accessibility opened up a whole new way for people to enjoy that content without the hassle of constantly forming groups.
Normal raids have always been pretty PUG-friendly, and Heroic, while more challenging, has traditionally been a very puggable experience as well, other than maybe the last few bosses. But even then, there have been plenty of PUG raids that clear all of heroic. There’s no good reason not to make Normal and Heroic difficulties more accessible. It’s not about making the content easier—it’s about making it easier for players to get into groups.
Like you said, organizing a raid group is exhausting and time-consuming. Many people don’t want to spend the time it takes to form a raid group when they could be enjoying other content like Mythic+ or Delves. Adding Normal and Heroic raids to the queue finder with appropriate item level requirements would be a great way to address that. Making it easier to form groups doesn’t water down the experience. It just opens the door for more people to experience and enjoy raiding content without spending the time it takes to wrangle a group together.
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Then join one of the dozens of PuG Normal Raids in the Group Finder. Why do you need a queue system?
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no.
all of this is a non-issue.
join. a. guild.
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people i’ve never met before won’t carry me and it’s not fair 
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They’re not doing very well when it comes to balancing the “rules” in queued content correctly. Lets not ruin other forms of raiding with debuff chains for a perceived desertion that wasn’t.
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The issue isn’t that PUGs don’t exist—it’s the hassle and time commitment that comes with organizing them. Sure, there are plenty of Normal raid groups in the Group Finder, but you’re still dealing with the process of finding a group, hoping they have space, and maybe even getting rejected because of some arbitrary requirement.
The queue system isn’t about needing it per se; it’s about streamlining the process and making raiding more accessible, just like how Blizzard eventually gave in and added solo queue for rated PvP. It’s not about laziness—it’s about removing unnecessary barriers so players can actually enjoy the content without the extra grind of setting up a group.
It would allow people who don’t have the time or patience to hunt for a group to jump into content and participate at a decent level of difficulty. It’s not about making the raids easier, just the grouping process.
Why are you opposed to something like this? Premade groups where people hand-select every member would still exist, and those who prefer a more curated experience can stick with that system. But for those who want to take a chance and try their luck with an automated group finder, why not let them?
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and who do you think will be doing that in your random-queue raids? you? somebody else?
people who don’t have the time or patience for that, don’t have the time or patience to make meaningful contributions to a raid group.
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Yeah maybe for the normal raid honestly.
It would be like LFR though.
Not sure you’d get the results you think you would.
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You aren’t organizing anything when you JOIN a group. That part is done.
And you can apply to multiple groups at the same time. You act like the 5 min it takes to apply and get into one is some kind of hassle. Talk about First World problems.
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That’s the beauty of a queue system—nobody has to be the one doing all that organizing. It’s automated! The system handles putting together the group based on item levels and roles, so no one person has to take on the responsibility of wrangling players or setting everything up.
It’s not like we’re asking for someone to micromanage the group in a random queue. The whole point is to make the process faster and less of a hassle for those who don’t have the time or energy to form premade groups. If the content is designed for normal or heroic difficulty with proper item level requirements, the system should be able to pull together a competent group without anyone needing to play the role of raid leader.
It’s just an alternative for people who don’t want to spend hours in the Group Finder. Premades would still exist for those who prefer more control.
people who don’t have the time or patience for that, don’t have the time or patience to make meaningful contributions to a raid group.
Pyri, but I don’t think it’s that simple. Just because someone doesn’t have the time or patience to organize a group doesn’t mean they can’t make meaningful contributions in a raid. Plenty of skilled players want to raid but don’t want to spend half their playtime dealing with group logistics.
There are plenty of great players who could excel in a raid, but they just don’t want the headache of finding and setting up a group. A queue system would let those players participate without feeling excluded or burned out before the raid even begins.
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the people begging for this have no raid experience beyond pugging a few bosses at the end of each tier, in a group with experienced and overgeared players carrying them. they have no concept of progression or of how to deal with any boss that doesn’t fall over beyond saying “well this group is bad, i’ll join a different one that can 1-shot it for me”
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I get that it sounds easy, but joining a group still involves a lot more than just clicking “apply.” You’re dealing with group leaders picking and choosing based on things like item level, experience, or sometimes even arbitrary reasons like achievements or gear score. And yeah, applying to multiple groups is possible, but that doesn’t mean you’re going to get into one right away, or that it won’t take longer than “5 minutes.”
Sure, it’s not the end of the world, but it can definitely be frustrating for players who want to jump into content without having to deal with that extra layer of selection or potential rejection. A queue system would just streamline that process. Let people get into content faster if they want, without having to hope they get chosen from the crowd. Premade groups would still exist for those who prefer the manual approach—this would just give more options.
It’s not about First World problems; it’s about making content more accessible for people with different playstyles and time constraints.
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This is one of the many reasons guilds exist.
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Pyri, that’s a pretty sweeping statement and doesn’t hold true for everyone. Just because someone wants a queue system doesn’t mean they lack raid experience or only know how to join groups with overgeared players.
I’m not a cutting-edge raider, but I’ve definitely put in my time. I’ve progressed to AOTC with a guild for many tiers and have dabbled in Mythic progression. Back in the day, I cleared half of Mythic Nighthold and generally knock out a few Mythic bosses each tier. So, it’s not about dodging progression or expecting to 1-shot bosses with no effort—it’s about making it easier to get into content and have a fair shot at it.
A queue system wouldn’t replace the challenge or progression; it would just make it more accessible for players who want to experience raiding without the added frustration of organizing a group.
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