Hmmm look a bunch of green skinned guys who look like that guy who wounded the literal embodiment of chaos and evil sargeras and saved us all are in our Forrest, you think we should talk to them? Nah we should totally off them without even attempting to make contact and figure out their intentions. Oh no they’re slaughtering us with Savage fury just like that broxigar guy who could have foreseen this horrible twist of fate? # ancientwisdom
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To be fair, if Warcraft III was the original timeline Broxigar wasn’t in that timeline’s War of the Ancients. We actually haven’t really seen a portrayal of what the Third War would have been like in the new timeline that Broxigar saved.
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That’s my point. Why not celebrate this amazing character?
Broxigar is also Saurfangs brother… maybe that will tie in in someway. Probably not but…
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What do you mean? Rhonin and Korialstrasz (and arguably Broxigar, depending how some passages are read) were sent back in time because someone (I think the Old Gods) were altering the timeline. So it was their responsibility that things went down like they were suppose to.
So I don’t see the awkwardness. Ultimately Broxigar still helped save the world because it was in peril due to the time manipulation caused by another party.
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Because fans point out that he was vital in the War of the Ancients, but with the way the War of the Ancients played out originally without historical manipulation he wasn’t needed.
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It’s more in satire than in actual critism,but I always found it funny Grom was painted a bad guy in that situation when he was never he informed there was an ancient elven civilzation that really has a thing for trees and you should probably stop doing that. Instead they got the equivalent of a guy confronting them with a shotgun in a seemingly abandoned field and saying " we don’t like your kind round these parts" before immediately blasting away at them. Not an ideal first contact situation to be sure
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I just pointed out it was hard to say where the world would be without him. Because the time manipulation was happening without him. He was vital in stopping that by ensuring the War of the Ancients went according to how it should have.
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There’s no arguing he’s a badass if you’ve read the book, I feel. Jarod, too. Tyrande, Malfurion as well.
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Sure, but in that same vein of thought, we do know what the would would be without the time manipulation in the first place.
But the time manipulation was happening. I don’t see how that ‘what if’ underplays his achievement when said accomplishment still saved the world.
It doesn’t. But when we’re already discussing what the world would be like without him we might as well discuss what the world would be like without the time manipulation.
We know the War of the Ancients was won without it and without him. Perhaps the more interesting question is what would Broxigar’s life in current events had been if he hadn’t ended up in the past.
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I guess I don’t see how the situation was super awkward, then. If we accept he still was a big part in saving the world from that time manipulation.
That seems like a much further reaching speculation to consider. Whereas his contribution in these events seems easier to track in the immediate.
Well the world would probably be ruled by the Old Gods. But I assume you mean if the timeline never had interference, rather than had he not gone in the past. Which is quite hard to say.
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Orcs don’t need songs and statues. Battle and honor and their deaths are very personal to them. As long as they know they died well, they could care less about being praised after they’re gone. Leave the honking-your-own-horn to the humans and elves.
The point is that no time manipulation nonsense was needy. It was yet another layer of complexity that the story absolutely did not need.
Blizzard makes the cardinal sin - typical to terrible writers/storytellers - in assuming their audience is dumb/has bad taste and won’t care for the story unless it has orcs and humans. They really ought to have trusted the strength of their IP at the time (WC3) and just ran with a WotA story.
I was reading on reddit how the majority of video game writers are bad, and there is no one to reign them in, nudge the in the right direction, or suggest alternatives. And these bad writers are making bad decisions, and cannot pitch good ideas to investors (who are even worse when it comes to knowing a good story, narrative devices, etc).
Everything checks out.
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Sounds pretty pretentious.
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What does?
The concept that the majority of video game writers are bad.
I mean, it ain’t exactly Tolstoy. And the Knaak books are the equivalent of eating a greasy burger at an Applebee’s that you never really think about again.
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The time manipulation was needed to counter other time manipulation going on.