fyi about these 3 - the first two are authentic to 1.12 vanilla wow, and the latter is something a lot of people were hopeful for.
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This is another argument. A “solid core of players”
No it’s not. Not for a big company like blizzard. The amount of players you’re talking about would put the game on life support.
Your pessimism that somehow we’ll hate everything they change and it’ll lead us right back to BFA is complete nonsense. Especially considering if nothing is done that’s literally the path we’re on anyways lmao
Im sorry but do you know any numbers? I just said a solid core of players that managed to keep the game alive for over 10 years somehow and quite frankly are the reason we are even having classic at the moment. You call that “solid core” not enough? Just tell me where you came to the conclusion its not enough? Is it not enough cause its not enough people? Cause even 10k people (btw its more than that) that spend 15 bucks a month on a server that basically needs nothing but the occasional maintenance (after the initial setup costs) is still a lot of money, good solid income.
Apparently you also know what blizzard needs to earn not to consider a game on “life support”. Cool.
Its not pessimism its realism. Something that is often mistaken for the other. Pessimism would be if I considered a fresh IP of blizzard to fail because all others were not to my liking/failed. This game has been going down the hill ever since its first expansion. Its not pessimism anymore its realism. They are unable to deliver a good follow up to the original game as they have proven time over time over time over time again and again and again and again. You get the point
Know what else they have? over 10 years of experience in the direction not to take the game.
and yes, I do know numbers. I played on a few different servers for a while.
BTW, 10k people is not enough to keep a game going under a big business like this unless they litter it with microtransactions, which they can’t do.
If you have not figured out that your game sucks after 5 years you will most likely not figure it out after 10 years.
I played on different servers too and I do not know the numbers at all. Again you are just talking and forming arguments without anything even remotely considered evidence. According to you its not enough to be viable as a pursuit for a lucrative business decision but at the same time it was good enough for them to re-release the game.
You oughta know wether 10k ppl is enough to keep a big business afloat. Im sure you deal with such big numbers in your personal life all the time. Unless, that is, you have absolutely no idea what you are really talking about and just spit bile out of your mouth because you have zero facts/numbers/statistics to back up anything you claim here.
They’ve very clearly figured out people don’t like it and re-evaluated their stance on classic existing as…you know…it exists.
Blizzard should have made hardware that ran 1.12 Vanilla WoW perfectly to capture the genuine WoW experience.
I bet computer companies would have been able to make it, the only changes being to use current internet connections.
People would have bought it too.
i think we can all agree that it’s been a very positive month game wise for almost all of us. So, i’m really not worried about the small stuff, honestly.
Ya, I was trying to educate some tool about the fact that there are tons of changes from Vanilla… I ended up giving up… you can NOT change the mind of true believers…
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Fine.
#nomorechanges
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Interesting. I read your thread. I just want to point out that Blizzard decided to use Patch 1.12. Patch 1.12, began Cross-Realm BGs and AV was updated(nerfed).
Layering was debated greatly. Blizzard needed a way to help with the congestion issues in the starting zones.
Anyways, I am in the #nochange crowd. Personally, I feel that if we start treating Classic like it’s a private server that it will begin to erode the spirit of why we wanted to return to the beginning of what made WOW great.
Once we add this one little thing it opens up the talk about adding more little things. Your post is a prime example. Where does it stop with the changes? That is why I personally will be vocal about #nochange.
Just a side note: I would have used an earlier patch…so I agree with you…AV(patch 1.12) and Cross-Realm BGs are not the true spirit of Vanilla.
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wants people to take his opinion seriously
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The difference this time is that we have hindsight. The player-base and the devs can look back at what was added over the years in retail and say “That didn’t go as we hoped/planned”.
You can still capture that feeling of Classic without bringing in the controversial stuff. There are QoL changes that don’t impact actual balance or gameplay that can be implemented while still keeping the core of Classic intact.
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I’m with you on this. Vanilla had so much to offer and I’d be willing to pay for addons to Vanilla later on to keep the world as is. I’d like a few QoL changes but want to see Vanilla be what it truly can be.
Sadly a lot on the forums are closed minded, in game is vastly different.
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We want things to not change anymore, this is what we asked for. Why do we need an argument to keep something we were already given. Ask for classic and you get it. Not some morphed, tweaked version of it.
Lets change it ti #nomorechangespls
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The “there have already been changes” argument does not disqualify the #nochanges.
NoChanges means that, even though the game already suffered some changes, we don’t want any more of them. It’s already bad enough as it is.
Maybe #NoMoreChanges would be a better hashtag
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OP is right, instead of…
#nochanges
We should now use…
#noMOREchanges.
NO MORE CHANGES.
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I’ve noticed this, as well. I’ve had a good couple conversations in-game, and the vast majority of people seem to be on the side of more content and changes for the better would be okay.
Only once did I find a nochanges person and they were promptly disagreed with and shut down.
The worry, though, again is how do we curate to keep the experience classic and still add on it? We’d need an NPC in game to vote at but the requirements to do so would have to be high. Maybe every specific question has a requirement? For example “What if we add these recipes to professions?” and only people with a maxed profession can vote.
All arguments have been given repeatedly. Even blizzard said they wouldn’t be changing Classic. And still people can’t accept this and demand things change to suit them. Because of this, many have just resorted to no as all reasons for no have been given and repeated and ignored. So it stays simply no.
Give me proof of them saying that.
I see no proof of that anywhere. In fact, all I saw was a 'We’ll see, we’re thinking about it".
I’m waiting.