It’s not hypocritical to anyone who has the ability to regard issues in their proper context.
Contextually, CRBGs belonged to vanilla for a relatively short period. Players being able to farm up R14 gear in a week was a part of the Vanilla experience right before TBC launched. I guess we should all be able to do that too right? Considering you don’t want to put these changes into context.
Here’s another point of context regarding CRGBs: They were an implementation to address issues natural to an aging population. How is that relevant when BGs launch in Classic? It’s not. So why should it exist at that time?
Will there be issues down the road? I’m sure there will be. But who knows what things will look like at that time. Nobody even knows how long Classic will last. Maybe it’ll die off after 12 months and the servers will have to be merged down to just a few. Maybe Classic will be retired and TBC will take its place. Who knows if Blizzard will do seasonal wipes every 2 years. Nobody knows what the future for classic will be or the challenges it’ll face the longer it exists. But I’m more than happy to address those problems at the appropriate time. What I don’t want to see are these types of measures implemented prematurely at the expense of one of the few defining features/experiences of Vanilla WoW.
Hmmm some nice random made up statistics there, got any sources? I personally have had at least 1 active sub since December 2004 (except for like 6 months in 2010(?) I believe). Not that it matters, since the system in question was a vanilla system.
Gee. A Lightforged Draenei that wants CRBG’s questions my observation that a large portion of those posters that favor CRBG’s are retail players. Am I the only one that finds that comical?
All one has to do is to look at the posters supporting CRBG’s.
But more seriously blizzard has said they want classic to be of ‘blizzard quality’ (that means good in their minds). So 10 hour WSG queues on PVE servers for example probably doesn’t fit that vision.
I don’t think someone’s character should negate their opinion.
It’s going against the crux of the argument which is a feature that existed in 1.12 when we’re using 1.12 data.
Trying to invalidate someone’s opinion instead of fighting against their argument using your own position must mean your own position is very weak if you are using alternative argument points.
All I see is a bunch of people who either never played Vanilla or have been playing retail too long and forgot what Vanilla was really like.
A bunch of people who don’t want to put in the time playing the game to be good but want to have everything handed to them, just like retail. Most of the actual PvPers from Vanilla hated CRBGs. But it made the casuals happy. Same argument applies today. That’s why we say if you want CRBGs go play retail.
It’s not, though.
How is he advocating for non vanilla changes if CRBGs didn’t exist for a large majority of classic
Just because I (rarely) play BFA doesn’t mean I like it. Hell I don’t even have a sub renewal in place, my last one ends in 4 days. Hence the lvl 20 character (it’s free to play). It’s something to do while waiting for classic.
But…it isn’t. Pservers aren’t actual Blizzard servers. Retail is.
You’re asking about a system that is currently in retail and was a miniscule part of Vanilla and claiming it was vanilla. What about the 23 months that didn’t have CRBGs? I guess that wasn’t Vanilla huh.
Sure it was, but it wasn’t 1.12. Anyone that tells people to “go play retail” and that “Classic isn’t for them” should simply be told to “play private servers”. It’s equally as dismissive, and sounds just as jerk-ish.
Maybe they should double dog CRBG then, even harder.
As of right now, nobody is griping about the queue times in classic. And until they are griping about long queue times in classic and make a good case for CRBGs, and blizzard had controlled faction ratios from the start, then and only then should CRBG garbage even be considered.
If you are just in here pushing for CRBGs months before the game even comes out, before we even know how many servers, state of faction ratios, etc, then I can only assume you are one of the typical pot stirrers from BFA.
Sure, I think it would be a great idea for Blizzard to show a H:A ratio on the server screen next to every server name.
It doesn’t have to show numbers of each since they don’t like to give too much information, it can just show the percentage of active accounts that have logged into each faction in the past X amount of time.
That would gives players a tool to attempt to balance factions a bit, but then again, it may also lead to worse faction balance if people avoid rolling on any faction that’s like 30% or under already…
Even with something like that in place, I think they will pay attention to the queue times and use CRBGs with smaller battlegroups to help out.
The problem with this is that if you designate something like that ahead of time, you have no idea which servers will end up with the worst queue times. Then people get to 60, have an hour queue time because the ratio of people queuing is so bad and they realize they’d rather have a faster queue. Their only solution is to re-roll unless you let them xfer, which a lot of people are also against.
I guess if they designate a few no CRBG specific servers AND implement my idea above to give you the power to see the ratio, players MIGHT choose to intentionally try to balance the ratio out on those servers. It’d be kind of a social experiment to see if it works out.
1.12 is only what they’re basing the foundation of the game on. Not every aspect of 1.12 is going to be in Classic and there will be aspects of prior patches in Classic. Classic is not just 1.12.1 and that’s that. It’s a basis for which they’re building classic.
And to say telling yall to play retail is the same as playing Pservers is flat out dumb. One of the reasons Blizzard is releasing Classic is for the people who loved Vanilla WoW, and I’m sure an underlying reason is to combat Pservers and capitalize on the crowd that the Pservers have catered to over the years. This is for the people who want Classic. Not for you retail players to come and chime in on what you think should be in the game. Go away.
Many whine if a queue is not instant, and therefore “too long” So no, not “same thing”.
What kind of ruler are you utilizing to deem something “too long”?
Some play off-peak and would whine if their queue is over 5 minutes. Expecting the entire server population to have their BGs change to compensate them.
‘Longer than the average person would consider reasonable. Long enough to warrant vanilla players complaining on the forums. Long enough for vanilla players to unsub. Long enough so that 2006 blizzard was forced into creating cross realm BGs’.
CRBGs were not put in simply because of long queue times, but as a mechanic with TBC in mind. Why do you continually ignore that part?
“My off-peak oceanic twink bracket queue is over 5 minutes. Please implement CRBGs for every player subbed so I can reasonably expect sub 5-minute queues. TIA!”
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