I have found in life that most people are willfully ignorant fools who are seemingly incapable of understanding nuance and all to quick to wright off anything that doesn’t conform to their preconceived notions.
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Some people are definitely crying about it.
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I am on a server that is slightly scewed towards horde 47% A / 53% H and there are times where i have to corpse crawl into BRD or UBRS like 5-10 times Blizzard can not control player style it can merely direct. Hence the early release of BGs on Dec 10th to help alleviate the World PvP issues that erupted once honor was implemented. With BGs coming out world pvp will not be nearly as efficient therefore it will at least greatly reduce the frequency of ganking parties and make it so that one need merely worry about the random stumbling upon a group as before. Also if you want to avoid ganking it helps to avoid the straight path there. Not sure on your server but on ours going in from the south side of the mountain also tends to be a bit easier at least as far as actually getting to the mountain.
There are a large amount of people rolling new characters on Mankrik at the moment and the overwhelming reason they claim is because pvp servers have become hellishly unpleasant (paraphrasing). All of them seem to be really nice people too.
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would happen… on a totally different scale.
IE not having several raids worth of horde between thorium point and BRS entrance.
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balancing a server doesn’t mean balancing a fight. I have sat in Ironforge chastising 30+ 60’s who seem to think contents is hopping around on their mounts while Menethil harbor is under attack.
They could have easily wiped out the smaller number of Horde grieving, but they didn’t.
There is a hang up about Wpvp that many players have, mostly about dying.
They take it personally, which I cannot fathom why.
It is one of the reasons that Blizz made dying in retail a near impossibility.
To coddle the egos of sensitive players .
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but they are not asking for fair fight all the time ( that’s what BGs are for… kind of).
they are asking to not have BRM, winterspring, felwood, EPL, WPL and un’goro perma camped by raids worth of opposing facion 24/7 … and a 20-man squad on the menethil boat.
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That is exactly what happens on an a balanced server, I don’t know how many times I’ve been part of either side of a 40v1. People will seek out places to 10v1. Always. 60’s will flock to a lowbie zone to beat on some lowbies. This isn’t a math problem, it’s a people problem. TBH, I personally don’t see a problem in the first place…it is what it is. Faction balance is not a bad thing…but it’s certainly not the second coming of Christ that people make it out to be and will not solve these issues.
The problem is that “faction balance on the whole server” is being talked about – and that has almost no connection with the problems that people are having.
How many horde does it take to camp a flight path, or the entrance to BRD, or a boat dock? 10 to 30 horde. Not 15,000 horde.
What if this realm was Alliance-heavy: 20,000 alliance and 10,000 horde. There would STILL be 30 horde camping the same spot.
In other words, server faction balance (thousands of players) IS NOT causing the “I can’t run solo to BRD” problem. That is normal pvp. Changing the server balance will do NOTHING to fix that problem.
If the cry isn’t about pvp, where are the cry from the pve players and their unbalanced server?
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I like gnomes, I think everyone should be a gnome, 100% gnome balance, the universe will be perfect once this perfection is reached.
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Blizzard can’t “fix” that, except by outlawing PVP entirely. Players form groups to do those PVP things.
Which makes sense. If I’m a PVP player wanting honor, what is my strategy? Form a big group, and camp a spot where the other faction wants to or most go. That is the best PVP strategy. I’m here to PVP. That is what I log in to the game for: to PVP.
Everything can be fixed with more gnomes
I think OP’s point was so matter of fact that the trolls have no idea how to handle this.
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or… speed up BG release. something blizz can absolutely do.
also stop pretending 10v1 is worthy of being called PvP
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10v1 gnome - gnome wins always!
And what exactly did you contribute other than more complaining? Im not seeing anything of substance.
The balance is badly skewed because people who didnt want queues or to be farmed as the minority transferred already. The only people left on these servers complaining are those very people who didnt transfer or reroll after being ganked and unable to deal with the stress of dying.
Its fine, I’m not even upset about it, and I think most people are used to our new reality of letting people who shoot themselves in the foot because they lack the foresight of a common goldfish dictate things in this game.
Its a mix of the 2, there are people who are complaining about imbalance, rightfully so. There are also people complaining about the pvp on pvp servers, but they are using the imbalance as a guise. You can tell based on how they react to the people who are not agreeing with them.
What sucks is those are the ones who are causing the most harm on the faction imbalance issue, as they are just perverting the issue into an anti PVP issue, which makes those who reply to them more toxic as well.
There have literally been people replying with things like “I hope wpvp goes away once BG’s come out” in a faction imbalance thread…
Now all that being said, yes, faction imbalance in and of itself is worth discussing, but since pvp is what is shining the light on it, its what people jump to for their complaints.
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You’ve missed the point.
Saturation is a thing.
1000 Horde to spread out between all the major zones versus 100 Alliance.
It wouldn’t matter if the entire Alliance population came together to try to take back 1 of those zones because the Horde would already have those numbers present there and another 100 just a zone away ready to join them.
This isn’t a “omg I got zerged by a raid group 10 times because I’m trying to run to BRD solo” issue. This is a “Even if I brought my own raid group after an hour of looking for people, I would still be outnumbered and die 10 times” issue.
It’s not about the 30 Horde camping one FP. It’s about the 30 Horde camping every FP and there not being enough Alliance able to log on to even consistently fight back.
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Everything here in wow forums lacks substance! 