I’m guessing if you poll the player base that doesn’t visit the forums for grievances, a vast majority will be like, “Dual spec? Sure!”
That said, I’m really on on the fence myself. I’ve read some good arguments both ways. In a vacuum, free of outside influences, I think I would default to preserving the authenticity of the original though…I’m gonna play either way.
“If it bleeds, it leads.”
Lmfao my post got removed, good thing blizzard moderates comments on this forum to a greater extent than they monitor players buying and dispersing illegally bought gold throughout their in game economy.
If Activision were to bring Dual Spec into TBCC, I’d like to see the cost be gold cap.
If you really want it, then the option is there, but you’ll have to really weigh the consequences of your decision.
Would it really be worth emptying your bank account, or would it be better to live with the minor inconvenience of travel time and paying to respec as needed?
Maybe so, and if this were Classic Plus I’d say go for it. Classic was requested for years, people campaigned against the wall of no for a very long time. We finally get freed from retail, get a fairly good replication and here they come. Wanting all the retail features added. Honestly I find that a bit selfish.
Yeah, and it’s now called Classic Era.
Classic TBC isn’t what people campaigned for. Not to mention, some of those loudest voices campaigning for Vanilla servers were NEVER “No-changes” people. For example, Sodapoppin. He wanted arena in Classic.
Sadly it won’t quell the argument. I’ve even offered a more generous compromise where your spec would lock once you are saved to an instance and only for that instance would it be locked (with full free dual-spec everywhere else) and I still got pro dual-spec people complaining about it being overly restrictive.
I don’t care if Dual Spec is modified to lock you to an instance. I want Dual Spec so people can tank, heal or play Arena on a whim, without the burden of a respec cost.
If people want dual-spec, why not ask for the retail implementation instead (essentially any/infinite spec)?
I’ve asked this a couple places, but only glinda responded once with a non-answer.
Heck no!
that was the worst change they made back in the days.
Don’t take details out of the game, if anything, put more in!
Because Dual Spec solves the issues we have well enough. It’s the more likely option for Blizzard to consider implementing. It’s also something they’d have to get ready for WoTLK anyways.
Dual spec would open up a can of worms, I think a valid request would be to reduce the cost of the current respec system.
Would a reduction in respec cost within the current system not be sufficient?
I understand you’re not endorsing dual-spec, so your position is a hard “no” either way…
I want to know the point in asking for an inferior prototype of the polished feature in retail.
because it is not polished at all.
First, TBC is not designed around the concept of bring the player, not the class. If you had dual spec, you could switch tanks to dps and vice versa depending on the bosses. That would change the whole PvE balance of the game, as you’d have one more DPS than intended for Prince for example.
As to taking away talents, that just takes away interesting nuances of the game. While there are talent comps that are optimal, most of them leave certain utility talents open. Just look at warlock cookies for example. You can have three different talent levels in there, and therefore three different cookies at once in a raid. Those nuances would go away with a single spec similar to retail and quite frankly, take away from the appeal of the game.
I get that many of the newer players might not appreciate the nuances and challenges that were presented back in the classic game days, but most original classic players loved them.
As said, if you don’t like the classic experience, you are welcome to play retail, but don’t retail our classic please!
Yeah, that all makes sense. The one bit that gives me pause:
If we’re (#notall) okay with a change like dual-spec a bit early to address some pain points…I would prefer we push for “any-spec” for wotlk instead.
Pushing for dual-spec now seems myopic compared to pushing for any-spec for wotlk.
Considering they’re retrofitting the present-day client to recreate the old expansions, it might end up being less dev work, if only marginally.
No, it wouldn’t. Tanks can do damage close enough to an actual DPS, the average player just hasn’t caught on yet. 25 mans would be even less affected. Having a tank respec to do 300 more DPS on a boss fight in a 25 man is virtually nothing.
Here’s an example of a 99 percentile Prot Warrior doing as much DPS as a 99 percentile Enhancement Shaman:
To be clear …I’m absolutely against removing talent trees…in no way do I intend to argue for that. If that’s what it sounded like, it was purely coincidental.
My thinking is simply…if dual-spec, then why not tri-spec? If tri-spec, why not simply the freedom to reconfigure our talent points in any fashion? I don’t think it’s a big leap from dual to “any”.
Sadly, it’s understandable given what Blizz has said and done with TBC. The developers themselves opened up this can of worms.
But still, that doesn’t even justify these irrational and ultimately destructive attempts to change TBC. The game wasn’t designed for things like dual spec. This is just a case of players unable to differentiate the design principles of Retail from Classic. For 10+ years they’ve been able to respec their characters to be perfectly optimal in every scenario at the drop of a hat. No choice, no consequence. No sacrifice to excel at one part of the game or another. But that’s not how TBC was designed. And ‘good’ or ‘bad’ are meaningless words. They’re completely subjective. But authenticity is not.
No seriously nobody ever said we ALL want duel spec. The majority do want it.
So for people like you that dont get it i will also tell you something else. When we ask for duel spec, we are not really asking for duel specs. DUEL SPEC IS ALREADY A PART OF THE GAME. We are asking for an easier way of doing it. We want it to be simpler and way way cheaper or free.
Nobody ever saud every player wanted it. And another thing that you can sit and spin on, YOU WOULDNT AND DONT HAVE TO USE IT. Ppl like you just want to spoil a suggestion just to try to ruin others days. That is the toxic environment of wow. The toxic envirernment that blizz created by allowing intentional griefing to go on as “part if the game” until the majority of players adapted to it and joined in. Yeah, next time you are in a guild raid pay attention and note any player that brings up something they did thay screwed another player over. That is the wow way and with blizz banning the spit emote i hope it is the first step in them attempting to clean up. Player moderation does not work.
So if you dont wany duel spec. Dont use it. Its that simple. If you put any further thought into it than " oh somebody wants duel spec, oh well, i wont use it" then you are just trying to counter them for the sake if being negative.