No, seriously, we REALLY don't all want Dual Spec in TBC

The game is so much better without dual spec.

Retail doesn’t have the RPG environment we still have in TBC, so. If you please, go to retail.

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Good thing we have those same Devs… wait…

The views of Devs not working on the project of TBCC and without the 2021 guidance of “some changes” don’t matter.

Where is the exaggeration? As far as I can see, the proposal is everything that those who are arguing against it want the game to be like. The only people trying to change the game right now are Blizzard. It’s up to them, ultimately.

What is it with people constantly assuming pro-Dual Spec people have the ability to change the game? :rofl:

And how will Dual Spec take away your RPG Environment? By not forcing people to tele to Shattrath to portal to orgrimmar to visit their trainer to respec and get summoned as the new spec they respecced to?

Edit: Honestly what should we do with boosts then? Both official jumpt 58 boosts and dungeon boosts. Because of these Old World content is almost possible to group up for and you never see anyone out questing, or barely anyone at the very least.

The origional design intent does carry weight.

It’s why they changed drums for classic. They didn’t want them to be abused in a way that was never intended by the devs of tbc.

The devs of today are trying to make changes that don’t go against the intended design of the origional game. Which we have evidence that dual spec does because of a blue post from the devs back then.

You don’t have the ability to change the game directly, but the pro dual spec crowd sure does make a lot of noise.

Showing why dual spec shouldn’t be added is not assuming you have the power to change the game, it’s trying to educate people as to why it shouldn’t be added.

Had to stop reading here.

You not having a problem != there not being a problem.

If it weren’t a problem there wouldn’t be so many requests for it.

There were a lot of requests for transmogs before. I guess purely cosmetics is a problem then.

Seems we need to turn the economic value of items upside down to add transmogs because people complained!

Oh wait, people cry about anything and everything, then refusing to play the game because they don’t like an aspect of it isn’t a problem, it just means tbcc might not be the game for them.

Yes, but it is no longer the primary consideration. They said explicitly as much in their interviews.

This isn’t the only reason behind their changes, as they’ve plainly stated.

This is strictly false.
https://screenrant.com/wow-burning-crusade-classic-holly-longdale-patrick-dawson/

Patrick Dawson: “No changes” being our guiding principle for WoW Classic made it very easy to make decisions on it. We just went to the reference client and went to that. But one thing we learned as we went through the release of the content in Classic is that [no changes] may not always be in the best interest of the players. Putting back in things like spell batching made the game feel a little less crisp. It was authentic, but it’s not what modern players want. The community today is so different from what the community was back in 2007 that it had us take a different philosophy with Burning Crusad e, where we actually started to allow ourselves to make some changes that were in the best interests of the players that will continue to develop alongside the community.

It was authentic, but it’s not what modern players want.

You’re arguing a position that Blizzard Devs have refuted.

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Its already there :rofl:, we do want dual spec.

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So your argument is tbcc already isn’t 100% authentic so let’s just keep making changes…

You are leaving out the parts of wanting to respect design intent…

Hardly, it is just a lesser concern. Original design intent is just another word for authenticity, which they aren’t cleaving to any longer.

Authenticity isn’t the trump card anymore, catering to the Classic community (which includes new and old players) in a modern era does.

Yet we should still respect the old design intents, so the question becomes what problem does dual spec fix to warrant going directly against the design intent if the devs of origional tbc?

Only to a point, and to a lesser degree of what modern Classic players want or need.

There’s no requirement that it fix a problem. The interview answers contemplated explicitly making changes based upon WANT as much as need. He specifically called out Race/Faction changes as something they’d consider adding purely because enough people want it.

There is no “need” requirement.

EDIT: Spell Batching was removed based on a want as well. The Devs didn’t say it needed to go, only that modern players wanted it to go, so the Devs agreed and they removed it.

So you only have limitations of “are sufficient members of the modern community interested in this?” and “will it be in the best interests of the modern community?” Dual Spec already has a fairly significant number of people interested in it with significantly fewer naysayers, so really it all comes down to whether or not Blizzard thinks its in the best interest of the current community. The old design intentions don’t matter an iota at this point.

Some problems are meant to be problems.

I’m having a real problem getting some of my tier tokens to drop (and then winning it) so I can complete my set, does it mean I should root for loot table modifications or any number of ways to make acquiring this easier?

No, that’s intended to be a problem that I’m supposed to solve through in-game action.

A problem does =| needs a solution. “Problems” are the entire framework through which we have anything to do.

The “problem” of respeccing is intended. It’s purposeful and intentionally implemented that way. They want it to be a problem, so merely identifying it as a problem at all is arbitrary.

Some problems are not intended. If I fall through the world and I can’t hearth out and my character is stuck there forever, that’s a problem that was clearly unintended and probably needs to be solved. Game is unplayable as such. This problem demands a solution. Respeccing woes, does not.

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Problems need meaning, and as the Devs understood in TBC/WotLK, the problem that respec costs tried to solve didn’t occur. People skipped the respec entirely or just ignored the deterrent.

Loot scarcity isn’t the same kind of problem as respecs. Only liars would compare the two.

So we should all have free epic flying then?

Because I know if they sent out a survey of “do you want epic flying on your characters for free?”

Most people will say yes.

Guess we are all getting epic flyers for free!

I like how you thought this would be funny when the two stipulations are popularity and good for the community, not just popular.

You aren’t a serious person.

Epic flyers aren’t free, most people asking for dual spec are fine with it having a fee :slight_smile:

So yes, we should all have dual spec for a 1 time fee just like epic flying.

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