I’d rather not have the meta of the majority of guilds be to keep 2 pve specs, because why wouldnt you if you have 2?
Even if we were to accept this argument, it doesn’t add up.
With how often a person would be respeccing freely and flexibly throughout the rest of the expansion using dual spec, it would add up to a lot more than 1000g.
It would have to cost 10s of thousands of gold, maybe even 100,000g.
The value of dual spec GREATLY outweighs it’s WOTLK cost. It pretty much made respeccing as a ritual redundant.
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Why would you? Is every Healing Priest in your raid maintaining a full Shadow set? Do you frequently find yourself varying it up on the number of Healers you bring? Tanks?
It isn’t like we maintained two PvE specs in WotLK, and it was even easier to swap, maintain gear, and bring important buffs/debuffs in WotLK. I’m not sure why people think this will suddenly emerge…
The “repair anywhere and buy reagents” mount in WotLK wasn’t even remotely this expensive. 16k for personal vendors forevermore and you want it to be over six times more expensive?
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You wouldn’t because most people simply have no use for 2 pve specs. Because guess what there simply isn’t that much swing in requirements from fight to fight, most people would be in 1 spec the entire time regardless of dual spec and the people who might switch would almsot certainly be people who want a second spec anyways.
It’s pure fear mongering to claim that “ZOMG EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPECS AND SWITCH BETWEEN THEM EVERY PULL OR BE GKICKED”
I do carry a full tank set so yes, I wouldn’t doubt melee dps would be required to have 2 dps or a tank spec in any meta adhering guild. You think they dont need more of a reason to bring you anyway? kek. This isnt WotLK this is classic tbc where meta gaming is the norm.
Of course not, thats retail dribble. However certain fights would be nice to swap between specs for don’t act like that doesn’t exist either lol.
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If you do it everyone must? LOL
Having two full sets now isn’t so bad since you can just slap on Heroic gear and be mostly capable, but if you’re wanting to be super sweaty, you need current tier BiS items for both setups and that’s very RNG limiting. Two months from now, even the sweatiest of tryhard guilds are going to be looking for their FIRST Tsunami Talisman and their FIRST Dragonspine Trophy.
Even in WotLK where off-sets were far easier to maintain at or near ilvl of the content you were doing, this wasn’t a meta thing at all, and swaps were sometimes all the more important with 10m Heroic raids.
People can’t swap to a meta that is out of their control. If LW is the meta, everyone just drops a profession and levels it, done, no thinking required. If everyone needs to bring poison cures and sappers, you bring them. If everyone needs to farm up and use Demonslaying Elixirs you do that. But if you need as many people as possible to build up main and off specs as if it were also a main spec, you’re going to be months deep still trying to build up your mains.
Any amount of “we need swaps” would be constrained to particular individual players the same way you’d funnel a bunch of upgrades to a single MT who takes the worst of it every boss. 95% of the raid is not going to have a mandated OS anyway because they have to utilize their MS to actually kill the boss.
…such as?
Bad comparison.
It didn’t make reagents or repairs free. It just let you do it in any location you could mount in.
Dual spec isn’t free either, and being able to outright eliminate bag-space problems because you can always vendor (you left that part out) so long as you can mount provides money as well.
But most importantly the mammoth was just one big fat convenience with a price tag, just like Dual Spec.
People will come back for new raids not dual spec. And you want people off nonsense yet your spouting off about people being bad at the game AND posting on a DH that’s literally been known as the dummy class for ppl who can’t play harder classes lol
Not for nothing, but even if they gave us dual spec, you don’t have to use it. Same with flying. Those people that are against flying seem to be unable to choose to not fly. Dual spec literally only effects those that use it. If you don’t want it, don’t use it. I guess playing a game that is losing massive amounts of active subs daily is fun for you. The inability to get groups will only get worse. People that are against flying and dual spec or whatever are the reason this game will die. The active sub count presently is dangerously low. How many more subs have to leave before you think Activision pulls the plug on WOW?
The mount isn’t free either, but it doesn’t remove repair costs or reagents costs, nor does it remove part of the need for those.
Dual spec reduces any need of paying the repair costs by a large margin and vastly reduces the gold sink of respecs.
You’re being dishonest in your comparison of that mount and dual spec. The mount doesn’t remove repair costs or reagent cost, it does help in gold generation by making farming/questing more effective, but so does dual spec.
Also, that mount is another wotlk feature so bringing it up as a form of arguing for dual spec is silly as it’s not available in tbcc either.
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Wanting to follow the design intents of the origional devs is not the same as nochanges
They said no to multi spec back then and gave reasons why, wanting to keep changes inside the design intent of tbc devs is about the feel of the game, not the make the game exactly the same.
On top of that dual spec will effect the meta for raiding and it effects people’s attitude toward what aspect of the game they want to focus on. Back in tbc if you wanted to pve and pvp you made a second character, planned your calander to reduce respec costs, and/or farmed a lot to cover the cost of constant respecs.
It moves away from tbc design of spec identity and moves toward class identity that wotlk got designed around for a bring the player not the class mentality.
Dual spec has a vast effect on game feel, player behavior, possible gold sinks, and even class balance gets touched by it because of it giving more flexibility to classes on a fight by fight basis.
It’s not just nochanges.
I mean, if I want to raid (attunement)or do dungeons I need flying in tbcc.
Dual spec will have a similar requirement but it will be player mandated.
…okay? They aren’t 1-to-1 and aren’t meant to be. The mount eliminates the need to go back to town to repair, restock, or vendor. Dual Spec eliminates the need to go back to town to respec.
The fact that Blizzard made Dual Spec only 1k but the mount 16k shows that Blizzard considered the latter to be a much bigger premium convenience to acquire than the former.
No, I’m comparing luxury conveniences and their price tags. You’re arguing that Dual Spec provides far more than the mount does, and yet Blizzard felt the need to price Dual Spec cheaply compared to the mount. You may think that Dual Spec is far more important but Blizzard disagrees.
Zipzo demanded a huge price tag, well in excess of any gold sinks that existed until we got the Black Market AH and the Grand Expedition Yak in MoP (for 120k), who let you xmog, repair, and buy the respec reagent. Don’t blame me for placing 100k Dual Spec into context with other more significant luxuries that didn’t even touch that price.
Yea obviously not ALL players want dual spec. Not everybody is going to agree and want this implemented. In my experience from every person I know that has talked about this issue it does look like a majority of players would definitely be in favor of dual spec being added. You might not want it, but I would be willing to bet that you are part of the minority with this situation for sure.
Regardless of its impact on the game or if it should or should not be added, but in terms of what the majority of the player base would want - I posit that more players definitely would want dual spec than don’t and that you are the loud outspoken minority on this one.
Lol blood elf demon hunter = opinion discarded
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Id like to see dual spec. Tired of paying for spec swapping tbh
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if thats the case whats the point of having “x” classic?
Let’s do rental mounts since gold sinks are the way to go, right? Make players pay 50g just to ride your mount for the next 48 hours. Actually, let’s make that 24 hours. This is ensure the game really punishing for anyone who purchases a convenience.
This will also satisfy these folks who say you gotta farm everything all the time to earn gold.
Because farming is the greatest good when it comes to paying for a respec, naturally we need to push that aspect upon everything else. Right?
Let’s just play World of Farmcraft.
In addition, we should remove the ability to respec in general. Just lock players into their decisions from the get-go. You can’t just unlearn stuff–you have to make the ultimate commitment.
If you change your mind, you need to remake your character from scratch. This appeases the “decisions have consequences” mentality, right?
I’m just going with the extremes in all cases since these are the underlying principles to the MMO environment that so many are upholding as the greatest good for the game.
Let’s either remove all conveniences or make people pay out the nose for all of them. Make it hurt. Because that’s what makes WoW great!
Naturally you cannot argue against any of these decisions because in principle they uphold the kind of environment you want to push.
Let’s just punish the player for any and all decisions they make. Over and over and over again. Because that makes for a good game!
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Trying to go to the opposite spectrum of convenience as an exaggeration doesn’t help your argument, we aren’t the ones trying to change the game, you are. And stateing the inconvenience is there for a reason isn’t me projecting my opinion. The devs of tbc made it that way and even stated they wanted it that way for the reasons they provided.
You are the one trying to push a change that goes directly against what the devs of tbc stated about their views on multi spec, which is what dual spec is.