That’s fine too. 
Anyway, if you can’t explain it, that’s no biggie, was just curious about what was going on is all.
You can have one without the others.
Like love and marriage! Goes together like a horse and carriage!
It’s how you know they’re trolling. No one can be that oblivious.
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Who is trolling what now?
stop trolling.
This thread is so confusing.
Do tell how dual speck ruins the game exactly it really doesn’t and quite frankly.
My 1st response to this comment is if TB C is so wonderful by default why are people leaving.
Like it or not it’s not 2007 It’s 2021 and people are very different let alone original experience are you joking.
Is the amount of information add ons and the way we play the game now isn’t even close let alone.
I can give you 2 very basic examples Is back in the day if you asked as a paladin to do anything but there anything but shield people would laugh at you at the beginning and even.
I don’t even think it was hygel until a paladin tanks were really even acknowledged As actually good tanks.
People didn’t know warlocks were completely broken in fact I’ve never seen plenty of raids with a lot of Rogue DPS And insisted That they were still top even though they weren’t.
So yeah Is let alone let’s talk about like we know all of our best items now we didn’t back then like it or not.
And the list goes on and that’s before you even talk about macros and key bindings yes technically they did exist but not the way they exist now.
Most players back then use the default Why now it’s the rarity that people do So yeah.
And on top of that like it or not there’s a tank shortage and you know what people are more likely to try taking if they don’t have to pay 50 gold to respect every single time.
So I say Dull speck and no it’s not going to destroy the game And in the only actual problem I could maybe see maybe.
Would be some gilds would require people to have 2 default PVE specs for certain rates.
And my reply to that is how many raid bosses is that even going to be if any like maybe 4 or 5 throughout the entirety maybe.
I mean for tear 4 Night beam would be the only one that would come to mind for me My point is if you can’t kill a boss without dual speck dull speck is it going to be the reason you kill it.
So again So again I say #Is dual spack
I want dual spec…
I want the legendary bow for my hunter so I don’t have to buy ammo, it’s so inconvenient having to farm gold for ammunition, blizzard please just give all hunters the legendary bow, otherwise everyone will quit!
I want it!
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Doesn’t make TBC better either.
I reckon it’ll make it a little bit worse. Is that the same as ruin? No. But why would I support something that makes the game worse than it is, even by just a bit? The game as it is now is fun. Dual spec will make it less fun.
This is the core of the discussion:
People claim it will make TBC classic better by allowing hassle free flexibility.
I argue it will make it worse by removing the impact of specialisation choice, and making content and farming to be more efficient - thus faster to complete - when there’s already limited stuff to do. It will be one change that further dilutes the TBC flavour of the game.
So it boils down to this:
- You think it’s an improvement.
- I think it’s a deterioration.
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You act like it’s incumbent upon the people who want TBC to mean TBC to prove why that’s so. You’re the one asking for the change. You’re the one who wants to throw a core design of the expansion out the window. You’re the one who needs to justify it, not the other way around.
And I’ve not heard a single reason. Some people say that it’ll solve the tank shortage. That’s obviously not true…just look at Retail. So the more basic response is, ‘Cause I want the convenience of excelling at every aspect of the game by switching specs anywhere, anytime.’
If people want that, people want that. But the important thing is the TBC devs DIDN’T want that. They said that flat out. They wanted your talent choices to matter. They wanted you to make sacrifices. That just how TBC was designed. So…deal with it.
Dual spec will be there in Wrath, just like every other feature of that expansion.
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OK one it’s not meaningful choice I hate to be 1 to break it to you but it’s not the super hardcore meaningful choice in it never has been.
There’s this illusion of the talent system provides this super and depth meaningful choice it doesn’t it’s really not.
But then again I don’t think something like your talent build should be Because it takes away the fun.
One of the fun things about a concept like a talent system is you can mess with things and you may screw up so you have the freedom to switch it out.
But is it meaningful no Because like it or not there’s only so many things that work I mean it’s like saying that there’s the huge difference between me is a protection palatin.
In a retribution Paladin Yes there are some differences he has some things that I don’t and we do different things technically.
But at the end of the day we’re both still paladants And because of that we know what we’re going to be doing if you’re a Arms Warrior you’re getting mortal strike.
If you’re a fury Warrior you’re getting rampage Are there some caviots yes but not many.
So this whole meaningful choice thing it doesn’t exist Because quite frankly it’s not class identity that people seem to cling to our claim its specadinity.
As far as there are being limited stuff to do that depends on your play ability and how long you have to play the game.
And it can also depend on your server as well like it or not people are leaving the game.
So when people say if healer and tanks are having a hard time farming we’ll just go find someone to help you do it.
You may not have that person to do it with finding a dungeon group on my server I can tell you even as a tank is a nightmare.
Why well The answer is very simple one nobody wants to run a dungeon at 12:00 p.m. server.
Too Is people aren’t patient I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tanked dungeons with pug people because no one of Is my Guild is on at the time.
Where I’ve literally had to yell at people and say wait for the constant crate to hit before you start blowing mobs up and a lot of people don’t.
And if somebody dies Hey guess what it’s your fault Like it or not the way the player bases right now it’s they wan to get in get it done and move on.
Which is the other reason I say dull speck wouldn’t affect that much Because again I really say what boss is it that you think that people are going to say OK guys we need you to have this specific spec for this specific boss.
Because quite frankly the only one I can really think of right now even coming up would be Maybe kailerhos, And vash.
But I mean honestly through the entire expansion we’re talking about maybe 4 or 5 boss fights maybe.
On top of that if you are a tank or a healer farming is a nightmare because 9 times I attend your farming routes are generally being sniped by DPS.
And as far as the whole strathome farms those are not as easy as the videos make it look.
In fact I would make an argument you probably need a whole separate gear set for that.
But again Dulspeck overall would make the game better it would let people have the opportunity to jump into PVP to try it.
And who knows maybe encourage people to try out tanking and healing I can tell you that’s the reason why I did it.
Originally Because right now as things stand I hate to be one to break it to you people are leaving the game.
Awesome I would like to point someone else out in originally 2007 we didn’t have a tank shortage either.
Nor did we have the tentisty D buff, Or The changes to jewel crafting or enchanting.
Does that make them bad no But I would make an argument those are just if not more of a change than dual spec would be.
So again And as far as the argument we’ll just farm out the gold again as I said earlier that’s not as easy as you make it sound.
And I also don’t think it’s fair to say we’ll just go level up another character just for farming yeah not everybody has all the time in the world to do that.
In fact it would probably even take longer because quite frankly there’s not a lot of people leveling in tbc.
People are leaving the game on mass Now my saying the game is dead no but I’m not saying it’s healthy either.
Is on the same end faction balance as an absolute joke even worse than it was originally.
No yeah does that come down to blizzards and a Billy to think about the fact that maybe balance servers and Rachel’s yeah.
And again I’ll go back to another point back in 2007 we didn’t see 100% hoard servers either.
Mark my words I would give it by phase 3 we’re gonna see every single PVP server 100% hoard.
And the only servers that are even going to have other factions on it Are going to be PVE servers.
So yeah The way the game is right now I have confidence 100% that dull speck would help not hurt.
You realise it’s not binary right? We’re not talking about absolutes here. There’s degrees of choice. It’s a balance.
I’m not confident in your assertion at all, because currently people are raid logging until the next patch drops. There’s not enough content as it is and dual spec does the opposite to adding new content. It lets people more conveniently and efficiently do what there is with more flexibility in who they do it with. If you want people to spend less time in game, that’s one good way to do it.
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When was the last time you saw a smite priest in a raid as a healer.
Is people are not going to take hybrid builds with the exception of certain warlock belts but essentially that’s it.
Is people know what works and know what doesn’t But then again that’s also starting to get into class balance and burning Mercedes a hole which that’s a whole another canterworms there.
Yes people may be raid logging some people are but I don’t is far but I would make an argument why are they Is raid logging.
Is does the prospect of farming 50 gold just a switch specs to do anything eis do anything else help that no.
You could take that argument either way you could make an argument that there’s less content to do if there was dual speck but there’s just as less content to do if there was.
Is if people are raid logging because they feel there’s nothing to do and they’re not interested in PVP.
Is the idea to farm 50 gold per respect isn’t going to make them log on Anymore.
So I’m sorry that argument doesn’t hold weight And then you have players like me that feel and this really weird.
Is middle ground I guess you could call it where I have stuff to do but I really can’t do it without other players.
Would I like to be running heroics yeah but I don’t have the players to run it with because they’re not on when I log on.
That’s just how my work schedule is and I don’t really have the time to dedicate to sit there and level another alt and do all that whole reputation grind all over again.
And before you say it I play 8 hours A-day So I’m willing to dedicate the time but they got to be honest flying around.
Is nagrad and everywhere else farming nodes isn’t the most fun task in the world on top of that stuff like that just does not move on the market.
And as I said earlier it really depends on your server Which is a catch-22 if you’re on a hypop server chances are no one’s really going to beyond it cause everybody’s raid logging.
Either that or they’re just permanently pee V paint and all everything farming wise is basically you may or may not get it.
Is especially if you’re a healer or a tank On top of that there’s both those things are both in shortages why because classic wild quite frankly has turned.
Is the player based into this speed run meta How can Warrior was the most popular class in classic wow and now it’s warlock what a shot.
But again that’s getting in the class balance and I don’t wanna go Down that rabbit hole.
As I said earlier I’m in favor for changes that are good for the game Now was I am favor for the boost no, This was I pissed off about the fact that we only got a 2 week prepatch yeah.
The changes that they’ve made to the game overall yeah they’re fine I don’t really agree with The blacksmithing changes as a whole.
Especially the argument they used defending it but whatever But I am favor what they did to jewel crafting and enchanting of course I am because I know it’s better for the game.
Is dual speck would be better for the game It would help people step into pvp Is which by the way is dying faster than any part of the game.
Mainly just because it’s such a nightmare to step in right now why because of balance because of faction balance because of server balance which blizzard did not address.
But my point is you can’t make the argument that just because there’s dual speck wouldn’t give players more flexibility yes but that’s not gonna say.
Oh all the sun because I don’t have to farm 50 gold for respecting all of a sudden I don’t want to log on today.
Really If they’re not logging on then it truly feels like they have nothing to do so they’re not gonna log on regardless.
This dull speck isn’t going to inhibit or help that
Is now what dual speck wooden courage people to do or at least give the thought of Maybe I could try tanking Hey I have some tanking pieces since I don’t have to spend 50 gold to respect.
Back-and-forth I could give that a shot Hey I want to give PVPA shot I mean I still have to farm my gear.
But I don’t have to worry about respecting every single time I know that’s why I don’t do it.
I can handle the gear grind that doesn’t bother me what bothers me is the fact it’s a gear grind and the fact I have to pay basically a 100 gold every single time.
Yeah not worth it Especially if you just want to do it for fun.
So yeah the cordon "downsides as you say Are heavily out weighed by the positives.
1 hundred percent with you!
It’s not like it’s free given to you, it would still be the 1000g needed to buy it, it’s an upfront pay if anything. Instead of doing it every time 50g at a trainer in town, out of your way, it’s 1000g up front and change when you need to.
Why do I have to wait. If I already know what version I prefer, why cant they just start putting out Lich King now so I don’t have to ask for the things I like that will cause a negative reaction to those that prefer BC?
Because I’m being forced along blizzard’s classic business model that is a repeat of the original timeline where I have to dump money for an approximate two years only to have all that work negated because the follow-up game was made the primary focus.
Sorry but after my time in Lich King this game just feels stale without dual spec and LFD.
I don’t want these things added in now if its going to upset the dedicated BC community. But just like I trudged along classic to get here which for me BC is a huge step up, it still isn’t Lich King.
If you won’t compromise at all on dual spec and/or LFD then as a customer I’m just being forced to play a version of the game I don’t mind playing, but don’t prefer playing considering what I already know I prefer.
I had no problem abandoning classic for good. You think I’m going to have any sympathy for BC when its time comes?
the 1% doesn’t want it. The 99% do. Already have WoD level changes in the game pull the trigger
Hard stats everyone, close the thread! /Sarcasm