No, seriously, we REALLY don't all want Dual Spec in TBC

Ok you can choose to read things differently to reality.

Enjoy fantasy land :clown_face:

The thing with a subscription is you pay for it, and even if you stop playing the game you have access until it runs out. Glad I could tell you how that works.

Anyway, when you have no argument to what a person writes you make it personal. So I’m not surprised by your post.

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What did you write that was worth arguing against?

It’s 100 gold.

Post proof of:

Also, and this will require you to pull out your calendar so I hope you’re prepared for class, please note the release of Cataclysm against the date of the Patch where Blizzard:

Thanks!

I’d rather pay 1000g right now and never see my trainer again if I can help it.

They sure did F-up the PVP section, wont be repaired, ever, seems like.

This shows your poor, immature and ignorant response, one of the worse resons ever. Dumbo, its not 50g, but who cares if u even know wtf is dual spec for.

U will hate it no matter what, just like many of u that never find a reason to respec.

Also, it doesnt affect u at all, does it? Dont use it, its fine with all of us.

Says the filthy DH

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im ok without dual spec. just make it less expensive to change. that’d be enough for me, i dont need to be able to switch whenever.

Back in original tbc, having dual specs was not on anyone’s radar.

The players were either:

  1. Absolute chads (majority of players) just doing pvp, heroics and grinding in 1 spec - most likely pvp spec to survive ganking, but sometimes PvE if had no social life and aspired to raid. Probably became known to their battlegroup by doing a lot of bgs. Had no gold to respec. Spent at least several months saving for epic flying

  2. PvE heroes. Minority. No social life, raided all the time going for server/world 1st kills. Likely well known in their server for killing KT/ progressing in BT. They terrorised PvP/arenas in PvE damage gear. Otherwise they were farming LW for drums or levelling a shammy alt for heroism /lust. No time for gold farming beyond this. Lived in PvE spec.

  3. PvP gods. Very rare. Think neilyo, vurtne, hydra. Lived in PvP spec and did bgs, arenas, world PvP, to build their montages of 1vX. Only PvP spec.

Wasn’t the term Wrath baby a thing at some point? I don’t know the intended meaning, but i kind of see the correlation between the player base and what i know of Wrath.

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Uhm, if i remember right, Ziryus WAS a wall of no poster.

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Lots of drama in here.

Actually the reason they nerfed them is because the outcry from the community over that water-cooler was INSANE.

It was an all out forum war, but at that point in time I think the casual players outweighed the players who liked them to be tougher, and we lost that battle. I loved early Cata heroics and I was very sad to see them nerfed.

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Show me some stats then to support your claim, I’ll wait.

Are people more likely to make noise about an issue they feel something is wrong with or an issue they don’t feel is an issue at all?

We see is in the real world all the time, when things are going well people don’t make much of a fuss about things, when they feel there is a problem they go our of their way to find someone to blame or fix the problem.

If your housed piping is working well, no leaks or other issues are you going to go call the person who installed them to compliment their work? Maybe but not likely.

Now let’s say your pipes have leaks, they still work but its slowly ruining your home, then your more likely to call the plumber that installed it and complain and try to make them fix the issue than you are to call them when there is no issue and say “good job”.

It’s basic human behavior, even babies only really start making a lot of noise if they feel something is wrong.

The majority of people who feel tbcc is fine as is are not on the forums or voting on polls, they are in the game, playing the game, and ironically are making plenty of gold to pay those 50g respec costs with ease.

Heck I just did a Kara and with 3 wipes due to bad rng, nightbane bugging and reseting, exc I still left the raid with 80g more than when I started and I didn’t win any gear. Add in consumable cost used and I profited about 35g.

It baffles me that people think 50g respecs is to much of a hassle to farm for and pretend that is what makes them not play…

Yeah, just doing all the available raid bosses + selling greens/blues from rando heroics I do when I’m bored I literally have positive net gain in gold.

I also have max fishing and herbalism/alchemy so I pick up a lot of crap as I’m flying around Terrokar while chatting on discord, fishing randomly for goldies and looking for Terocone.

This dual spec thing is only an issue for people who literally raid log to a fine point, as in, if they aren’t in a raid, they’re offline. It’s not an issue at all for people who actually…you know…play the game. And when I say not an issue, I mean, like, so far below even registering as a problem needing to be solved.

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Which is amusing in that if they’re only logging on to raid and then leave…they don’t need to change specs.

This is just a case of a few people complaining because they need something to complain about and this is the current issue.

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You don’t play the game, so you wouldn’t know the issues. Nano (Nostalrius dev) explains it well enough here:

I’m not advocating for Dual Spec for my own personal needs. I’m advocating for it because I play the game and talk to people playing the game. People don’t want to schedule their Arena matches around a respec fee.

E.g:

“Hey dude, wanna play some arena matches before raid?”
“Nah, don’t wanna blow 100g for a few matches. How about after raid?”
“Sorry, gotta go to sleep after raid.”

The respec fee is one of a few reasons why Arena participation is in the gutter. The community is different now than it was in 2007-2008. Most people aren’t playing in subpar specs.

Game design is an iterative process. First, they tried class changes to reduce the amount people felt they needed to respec:

This obviously wasn’t enough and the issue became more pronounced as time went on. They started developing Dual Spec in the latter half of TBC for the exact same reasons people want it now:

Nethaera: Why are we allowing players to dual spec after all this time?
Ghostcrawler: We really felt like this was a great way to increase the flexibility available to players and encourage them to take part in more aspects of the game. To use just one example, some players like to participate in both raids and Arenas, which is awesome behavior that we want to promote. But, there are some talents which are more useful in one part of the game than another. Currently, players have to pay respec costs and go through the process of setting up the desired talent spec and action bars whenever they switch.

I never once requested Dual Spec during my entire 2 years playing Classic. That’s because it simply wasn’t needed. Dungeons didn’t require specialized roles to properly complete them; Arena didn’t exist. People could do everything in their raid specs.

The lack of Dual Spec is contributing to raid logging. Instead of running dungeons or doing Arena, people are simply not logging in. People don’t want to schedule every aspect of the game around the respecs of themselves, and others.

This is a modern community, very different from the community that played the game back in 2007, and making sure that we’re servicing their needs. So it’s a little different than our mantra of Classic of just #NoChanges. Like, it was very much just pure authenticity, warts and all, we’re gonna do it the way it was. This one’s gonna be more like, well what do people want from this game.

– Patrick Dawson, Production Director.

Yes, this is a great argument…for it to be added in WOTLKC.

…because we all know how they felt about it after WOTLK lol, so it doesn’t seem like a great argument to add it in earlier.

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Where are you getting this?

This post clearly states:

As in, right now, right now. Not later. Not in Wrath. But right now.

Sorry, just had to clear that up for anyone reading.