No, seriously, we REALLY don't all want Dual Spec in TBC

Lol your still gonna have to farm gear. IMO all you want is a talent spec incentive to farm gear when you can farm gear now and still do X heal/tank/dps role with the “wrong spec”

I’m sorry but if all you have is dps gear. And you switch to a healer spec. Your heals are gonna be worse than someone who has gear but isn’t talent specd for the role.

The idea that duel spec will solve any tank/healer shortage is pure copium. Was talking about this with guildies last night about this topic. Tank players said they would just have a farm/pvp spec. Hybrid classes who can tank said they still wouldn’t because they don’t want to tank. The reality is majority of people play DPS, and not all of them want to tank or heal. Assuming every hybrid class would have a tank/heal spec if duel spec was added is crazy. The reason there is a shortage is there is more dps classes/specs than tank/healer classes/specs. Assuming you did add duel spec, people would likely have to farm out an entire gear set to tank/heal anyway. The reality is, most people who main tanks/healers don’t want to pug. They want to run heroics with their guild members, not randoms who may have no idea what they are doing. I get where the thought comes from, but I don’t see it being feasible at all.

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Dual Spec won’t solve the tank shortage.

Dual Spec will allow more flexibility, which in turn will as a by-product help the tank shortage. Any tank that farms or PvPs in a different spec will be more willing to tank on those offnights because they won’t have to go respec back to their tank spec.

Arena, which is suffering a shortage of players, will be far more active. This scenario is common:

“Hey dude, wanna play some arena matches before raid?”
“Nah, don’t wanna blow 100g for a few matches. How about after raid?”
“Sorry, gotta go to sleep after raid.”

I know that many players in my guild who came back specifically to play Arena are just not doing it because they don’t want to have to schedule around playing matches with friends, like it’s a raid or something, in order to avoid constant 100g respec fees.

You don’t need to look any further than Retail to know dual spec won’t help the tank shortage.

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Lol…so you want to make a divisive and controversial change to the authenticity of TBCC so that your guildees will get to arena more, yeah, I’m sure that’s way high on Blizzard’s priority list…

Given how much they’ve decimated Arena/PvP thanks to other changes, I’m inclined to think this doesn’t register as a high priority fix.

If your buds wanna respec for PvP, they have options. Stop raid logging and go make some gold. Simple. Stop being lazy.

You are correct about dps not going to tank just because they can easily dual spec. Some would but probably one time and then say screw that. The impact is very tiny though.

But the part you didnt discuss is the tanks that switch to dps grinding/questing spec or a pvp spec.

Real life example. This happens with me all of the time. I tank for guild raid. Raiding is done for the week. I switch specs to arms for pvp. Pvp all day. Next day a guild mate or some random that friended me from a previous pug messages me, " hey wanna tank this heroic for us, weve been waiting forever for a tank" i actually want to run that heroic. Would love to switch specs, gear swap, run the instance, thwn spec back to arms and get back to pvp. But i dont want to take the time to go leave outland, respec, hearth back to outland. Run dungeon. Go back to sw, respec and then be stuck in sw because of hearth cooldown.

So instead, my response is, “sorry, im in pvp spec, my tanking is off duty until next thursdsy when we raid again”

This happens every day. Sometimes i spec back early. But still, i dont think this really helps with tank shortage overall.

If anyone is using tank shortage as a strong argument for dual spec they should stop. Instead just request dual soec for the reason that most if us want it for. Which is, because we have experienced it, we know how much better the game was when we had it. We k know there are not any negatives to it thay are worth mentioning. We want it for that reason alone, it makes the game better.

Ignore Fraudir, actually. He doesn’t know how to correctly respond like a human being should and instead devolves into a series of ugly remarks.

Case in point, how he will inevitably respond to this comment.

Hang on, all the folks who boosted their toons would like a word with you. They’re mounting up on their Rift Stalker mounts as we speak.

I’d join them, but I’m too busy killing a mob with Seal of the Martyr. After that, I gotta practice more Powershifting on my Druid, that’s getting a bit rusty. Next on my list is fighting my own faction in BGs…

…sorry, you were saying something about authenticity? I was distracted.

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Maybe after his vacation is over.

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Ok.

Key word: Further from authenticity.

Just because some changes got through, doesn’t mean I’m suddenly OK with all subsequent changes.

Please tell me, what about this that you can’t possibly seem to understand that leads to you repeating it as your primary counter-argument. Every. Single. Time.

Please. For the love of the light. Give me a sign that you aren’t reliving the same 24 hours over and over like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

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Key word: #SomeChanges

More changes will come.

If you want authenticity either invent a time machine or go back to WoW Classic.

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OR?

The necessary changes were made, and it’s all up to the efforts of those of us who are staunchly against further changes to keep people from making Blizzard think more are necessary for the health of the game.

Thankfully it seems so far Blizzard lands on our side, since people have been whining about dual spec since vanilla classic and that didn’t seem to budge them, and nothing has really changed that demands dual spec being more necessary now than then.

Enjoy your dualspec-less game :slight_smile:

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Sorry, but y’all lost that fight the moment they announced #SomeChanges in Blizzconline.

Zipzo, the reality is, you and I are just guinea pigs for market forces beyond our control right now. You might think these folks are in the business of giving us a fun product to play and engage in, and you’re somewhat correct. But the reality is, they also want to be able to market to an even broader category of people. That is the reason why they implemented the boost, the Rift Stalker, and any changes that have been made so far.

#NoChanges was also a market experiment. The fact that Blizzard is in this mode goes to show they’re learning from their mistakes and they admitted it in Blizzconline.

There is no “our side.” We all consume the same product here and that product will change to better suit the masses regardless of what you or I want.

Sure, just like I enjoy AvH PvP…until they changed it.

Just like I enjoy a nerf to Powershifting…until they changed it.

Just like I enjoy…eh, you get the picture. :grin:

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I guess time will decide the winner of this debate. Bookmarking this post.

If you don’t enjoy TBC as it is, then don’t play it.
Enjoy the game you seem to love so much: retail!

Quote me saying this.

Oh, right, when asked for proof you never give it do you?

So much dishonesty from you.

You’re missing the point by a mile.

I agree with the OP. Lack of dual spec isn’t a problem.

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oh no not ironicweeb

The devs have said BC is not no changes. They’ve already made changes. They told us more changes are coming. They asked the players for feedback on the changes we wanted.

If you don’t like BC with changes and more to come don’t play it.

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