No RFD, Been given a terrible LFD tool

[Gunnitxo-arugal]

Someone call a wahhhhhmbulance, we got a retail player.

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

@Ziryus-pagle

You say shortcut, I say better tool to do what is already being done.

Why is it a better tool? You left that part out. I find it hard to believe that wasnt intentional.

Now, youre gonna type a slew of nonsense here as some kind of psuedo vindication right after pulling the semantics card but lets save ourselves and the readers a bunch of time here and say you thinks its a better tool because its a heck of alot faster than the traditional method.

And then Im gonna say, yeah, like a shortcut and youre gonna be like no, like a nimbus 2000 like Im saying that broom aint fast.

@Ziryus-pagle

For people who want to pug dungeons LFD is simply a better tool. Can you explain the value in not using LFD?

Let’s take say a manual screwdriver vs a mechanical one. It’s not a case of taking a shortcut it’s just about what is the better tool for the task.

Accuses me of being semantical while diving headfirst into the semantic swamp ahead of me and without me…okay, Ill play.

Again, Im not arguing against the efficacy of LFD. I simply dont think taking steroids is better than busting it in the gym. You are free to disagree with the how effort/reward works but it doesnt really care about your opinion.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Why is it a better tool? You left that part out. I find it hard to believe that wasnt intentional.

It was intentional because of how obviously better it is.

A tool where I can just queue up then go do something else is better than a sitting in chat playing whack a mole in trade chat.

And keep in mind this is in the context of pugging dungeons.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Accuses me of being semantical while diving headfirst into the semantic swamp ahead of me and without me…okay, Ill play.

Again, Im not arguing against the efficacy of LFD. I simply dont think taking steroids is better than busting it in the gym. You are free to disagree with the how effort/reward works but it doesnt really care about your opinion.

Since you want to play, why are you worried about busting it in the gym?

[Rotationn-illidan]

Its not for a lot of people. The highest key I completed was a +23 ToP and some of the worst dungeons I have been in were like a +6 where the tank has no clue what is going on, that would be much worse with lfd like wrath had.

[Rotationn-illidan]

Wow has always been the casual MMO and thats why is successful. Literally less time sinks is why it was such as success.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Rotationn-illidan

Wow has always been the casual MMO and thats why is successful. Literally less time sinks is why it was such as success

And they have retail for that gameplay experience. Why would they turn Classic into that same gameplay experience?

You don’t see the redundancy issue there?

[Rotationn-illidan]

And this shows that you have zero idea about the game, retail or classic. The reason retail has gotten so much crap lately is because there was too many time sinks and because they tried to force the garbage covenant systems in the game taken away player choice.

[Trunchbull-earthfury]

Well, WoW started going downhill after wrath so I don’t agree with your logic.

Expansions after wrath changed the game immensely so I would think Classic players would want the non retail version of the game because if you want to play a lobby game one already exists.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Rotationn-illidan

The reason retail has gotten so much crap lately is because there was too many time sinks and because they tried to force the garbage covenant systems in the game taken away player choice.

Andddd you completely missed the point. That’s a completely different issue and completely irrelevant to our discussion, Rotationn.

The point we’re talking about is this: Retail already offers you a casual friendly experience with stuff like LFD.

Why would they make Classic follow the same path? What sense would it make to have two games running with similar gameplay?

It wouldn’t make sense at all, is what I’m getting at. Which is why they’re going to make Classic as different from retail as they possibly can – which includes removing LFD.

You should expect to see more resistance in the future from the Classic WoW team. Stuff like transmog and LFR are all up in the air at this point.

[Rotationn-illidan]

MoP and Legion and two of the better expansions.

[Rotationn-illidan]

You mean why would systems that are popular and in wrath be in wrath? Gee, I dont know?

[Trunchbull-earthfury]

MoP had the best PvP experience, was highly popular because of the PvP. Most games with competition at the core are the most successful.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Rotationn-illidan

You mean why would systems that are popular and in wrath be in wrath?

Did you…did you not read anything that I said? I answered that quite conclusively for you.

If this is you trying to convince Blizzard that they should bring LFD back – I think it’s going to be pretty nonproductive for you.

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

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A tool where I can just queue up then go do something else is better than a sitting in chat playing whack a mole in trade chat.[/quote]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

And then Im gonna say, yeah, like a shortcut and youre gonna be like no, like a nimbus 2000 like Im saying that broom aint fast.

I mean, you cant say I didnt call it. You aint never gonna change.

Yes, its a lot faster because of how it works and how easy it is to use. Whether faster and easier is better or not is an entirely different discussion. Thats where Im at. Get on my level.

You’re obviously of the opinion that it is better. Others are not so convinced. Yknow, like professional developers with actual experience and careers and players who arent navel gazing.

If you want to get right down to how stuff works then its suffices to say the more you put in the more you get out. Thats not how LFD works in design or intent. Its the opposite - which is why you want it in the first place. Like duh - you dont want to take those extra steps to earn your rewards. You think the game should reward you for playing instead.

Which Im totally fine with because I could care less about Wrath Classic. Let me speed run to the level cap and spam arenas/bgs and dungeons/heroics cuz those epics dont mean squat to me - there’s nothing to save because theres nothing to lose. Its already gone. LFD plz.

@Ziryus-pagle

Since you want to play, why are you worried about busting it in the gym?

Its not an analogy to be taken literally. If thats a real question and not lame retort you can reform it into the context of the game because it makes zero sense otherwise.

The analogy stands for itself. You can tell me shortcuts are better but you cant really prove it and there’s a ton of actual facts and evidence that refutes you. You can ignore all that of course but then youre just an ignoramus and well, thats on you.

If you want to cry foul and play victim more power to you. Youre wrong and thats just you being really consistent.

[Elorael-remulos]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

The only way to “play wrath the way it was” is to go back in time.

Actually, it’s wait for 12 months. Then private servers will have an “accurate” representation to reproduce and people can move there when Classic moves to Cataclysm.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

The point we’re talking about is this: Retail already offers you a casual friendly experience with stuff like LFD.

This is so false it’s got to be trolling at this point. The concept that Retail is “Wrath with LFD” is absurd. Retail is so far from the golden age trilogy that it’s unrecognisable to a Classic only player. Wrath with a realm locked LFD is far closer to Vanilla than Retail. Even with cross realm it’s not even close to Retail.

QoL and non-raiding convenience being added to Wrath is not “making it retail” or even “casual focused”. It’s eliminating a pain point for every player. LFD was rolled out incorrectly the first time by making it cross realm, because they feared it wouldn’t be used if it were only in the server. It’s clear it definitely would be now so the only major effect that the tool had long term, would be completely eliminated. Keeping it in the server’s own community will actually enhance the community by presenting players with new members of their own server to meet and choose to play with again later.

If you’re against realm locked LFD, it’s because you’re either blindly accepting a narrative by people who don’t understand why they enjoy the game, or you are one of those people pushing the narrative because you don’t.

[Ziryus-pagle]

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@Ziryus-pagle

A tool where I can just queue up then go do something else is better than a sitting in chat playing whack a mole in trade chat.[/quote]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

And then Im gonna say, yeah, like a shortcut and youre gonna be like no, like a nimbus 2000 like Im saying that broom aint fast.

I mean, you cant say I didnt call it. You aint never gonna change.

Yes, its a lot faster because of how it works and how easy it is to use. Whether faster and easier is better or not is an entirely different discussion. Thats where Im at. Get on my level.

You’re obviously of the opinion that it is better. Others are not so convinced. Yknow, like professional developers with actual experience and careers and players who arent navel gazing.

If you want to get right down to how stuff works then its suffices to say the more you put in the more you get out. Thats not how LFD works in design or intent. Its the opposite - which is why you want it in the first place. Like duh - you dont want to take those extra steps to earn your rewards. You think the game should reward you for playing instead.

Which Im totally fine with because I could care less about Wrath Classic. Let me speed run to the level cap and spam arenas/bgs and dungeons/heroics cuz those epics dont mean squat to me - there’s nothing to save because theres nothing to lose. Its already gone. LFD plz.

@Ziryus-pagle

Since you want to play, why are you worried about busting it in the gym?

Its not an analogy to be taken literally. If thats a real question and not lame retort you can reform it into the context of the game because it makes zero sense otherwise.

The analogy stands for itself. You can tell me shortcuts are better but you cant really prove it and there’s a ton of actual facts and evidence that refutes you. You can ignore all that of course but then youre just an ignoramus and well, thats on you.

If you want to cry foul and play victim more power to you. Youre wrong and thats just you being really consistent.

That was a mighty wall of text just to say “I’m a hater”

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

You really mean winner but you say hater because you hate the fact that you lost.

Youre the negative element here.

Thanks for the easy W as always.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Elorael-remulos

Then private servers will have an “accurate”

Buying gear for real life money from server hosts in Russia certainly isn’t accurate.

@Elorael-remulos

The concept that Retail is “Wrath with LFD” is absurd

It’s a good thing no one has made that argument. Strawmans aren’t going to convince anyone to bring LFD back, Elorael.

[Rotationn-illidan]

I read it, its complete nonsense because classic is still out. Wrath should be wrath, not vanilla.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Rotationn-illidan

its complete nonsense because classic is still out

So you read it, claim it’s complete nonsense, and the reason it’s complete nonsense is because “Classic is still out”?

You think that addresses any of my points?

@Rotationn-illidan

Wrath should be wrath, not vanilla.

You can repeat this until you’re blue in the fact but it hasn’t worked so far. Didn’t work for TBC either.

Oh well, par for the course I suppose.