No RDF gigantic mistake

[Grasstamouth-jom-gabbar]

Its clearly obviously the majority of the player base want RDF.

I get that this was done to sale boosts but it is a giant mistake.

For the health of wrath classic reinstall RDF

[Katsuki-arcanite-reaper]

Can you point out where on the sub graph throughout time RDF or LFR increased total subs?

I know it didnt and further changes of rdf in cataclysm made things worse into a compunding effect where retail wow doesnt break 1 million players.

[Deunan-atiesh]

WoW had the highest sub count of its life during RDF and didn’t taper til after Cata dropped. We can draw inferences from this info but all it shows blatantly is a steady and high sub count unaffected in either way by RDF.

[anon96372232]

If you dont like Wrath without RDF, dont play it.

[Psychophobià-benediction]

Nah id rather keep posting here till it gets changed just like everything else does

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

Can you point out where on the sub graph throughout time RDF or LFR increased total subs?

It’s impossible to pin the increase or decrease in subscribers on any one thing. We DID see an increase of 500k following the release of 3.3 but that could be from any number of factors including RDF, New Expansion releasing soon, etc.

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

I know it didnt

Well, I mean, it DID increase.

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

further changes of rdf in cataclysm made things worse

Cataclysm did see a major drop-off in subscribers, but it wasn’t solely because of RDF - could it have been a contributing factor? Certainly, the same way harder heroics, more of the same content for 4+ years straight, etc., could be.

@Katsuki-arcanite-reaper

where retail wow doesnt break 1 million players.

I’m genuinely curious where you got this number from since Blizzard no longer publicly advertises their subscriber count.

[Sotirios-pagle]

@Grasstamouth-jom-gabbar

obviously the majority

people believing that forum is the majority

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Grasstamouth-jom-gabbar

Its clearly obviously the majority of the player base want RDF.

If it were that obvious, you wouldn’t have needed to make this thread. RDF would’ve been in the game already.

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

RDF would’ve been in the game already.

Well that’s simply not true.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Kurathis-pagle

Well that’s simply not true

Yes it is. If the majority unsubbed because of no RDF, Blizzard would put it into the game tomorrow. That just hasn’t happened though, has it?

[Kurathis-pagle]

So your point is that if the majority of a playerbase wants something in the game, that the developers are guaranteed to put it in? Hardly.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Kurathis-pagle

So your point is that if the majority of a playerbase wants something in the game, that the developers are guaranteed to put it in?

Yup – Blizzard is a company. They want to make the most money. The best way to do that is to keep the majority subscribed.

Them not going back on RDF proves that the majority has not unsubscribed over this. It’s simple logic.

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

Yup – Blizzard is a company.

So EVERY company (we’ll stick to gaming in this case) has ALWAYS put in EVERYTHING that the majority wants? No, sir, that is not true.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

The best way to do that is to keep the majority subscribed.

So, for years the majority has wanted features in the game that effectively destroyed it, likely causing the sudden and drastic drop in subscribers?

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

Them not going back on RDF proves that the majority has not unsubscribed over this.

Players unsubscribing is a whole different issue. We’re discussing majorities here, not whether or not a change sees people unsubscribing.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Kurathis-pagle

So EVERY company (we’ll stick to gaming in this case) has ALWAYS put in EVERYTHING that the majority wants? No, sir, that is not true.

If the majority has been that obvious, yes. This rings especially true for companies like Blizzard that are wildly succesful.

@Kurathis-pagle

for years the majority has wanted features in the game that effectively destroyed it

You mean destroyed it for you?

@Kurathis-pagle

We’re discussing majorities here, not whether or not a change sees people unsubscribing.

Unsubscribing is the most relevant point here. If you’re not unsubscribing over this, you’re just here for the latest forum outrage.

[Kurathis-pagle]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

If the majority has been that obvious, yes.

Name a game that introduced EVERY feature the majority wanted.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

You mean destroyed it for you?

Take a look around on the forums, 90% of people agree that Retail is a gong-show and is ‘dead to them’.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

If you’re not unsubscribing over this, you’re just here for the latest forum outrage.

I DID unsubscribe. 19 days left.

[Denwen-bigglesworth]

The majority of the playerbase doesn’t care much either way. Most people are raiding in guilds or GDKPs and have their alts leveled and ready. They have friends and guildies ready to play with and know that the dungeon grind is like a week long (or less) and after that RDF is almost completely irrelevant to them.

[Mileyy-benediction]

Actually a majority are against RDF. I know because I just said so.

[Daxje-faerlina]

You mean the majority of people play classic the way it was intended to be played? By building social circles and using those to get ahead in the game which is the pillar of the game’s design when it came out? Stop using logic little gnome, this isn’t allowed here. We must have outrage over RDF!

[Voltaire-yojamba]

I suspect you may be confusing Vanilla with Classic
Vanilla is that expansion with very little world content, little to no QoL and supposedly “Great social experiences”
Classic is (supposedly) Blizzard’s attempt to faithfully recreate previous expansion experiences and present them in as close a state to the original release as is viable.

You’re whole “Classic is just Vanilla+” line of thinking falls apart once you consider the addition of summoning stones, or flying mounts. Or dual spec.

[Meowkitty-wyrmrest-accord]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

If it were that obvious, you wouldn’t have needed to make this thread. RDF would’ve been in the game already.

Its like the classic era players that make videos about how alive these servers are.

They would not need to make videos to convince people that the servers are alive if it was actually true. Same goes with rdf. Majority probably does not even care for either side.