No one should genuinely care about Teldrassil

[Amadis-draka (Amadis)]

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

@Amadis-draka

The story as it played out? You mean this story?

Here’s some more of how the story played out:

World Of Warcraft - Fall of Garrosh Hellscream - Horde Side - HD (1080p)

Vol'jin: The Horde needs its true Warchief now, more than ever.
Thrall: Yes, but it was you that held the Horde together during this madness.
Thrall: It was you that protected our honor.
Thrall: From this day forward, Vol'jin - If you lead, I will follow.
Vol'jin: I am not worthy...
Vol'jin: But I will give my all.
Vol'jin: For the Horde.
Varian Wrynn: I will speak to your Warchief!
Vol'jin: I speak for the Horde.

And the follow up text Vol’jin has to say:

Vol'jin: Stand tall, <class>. Today ya saved de soul of de Horde.

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

This isn’t that difficult to understand. When the rebels left the Horde to join the rebellion, they left the Horde.

No, this isn’t difficult to understand. The Alliance did not defeat the Horde as a whole. When they were able to achieve victory it was when they did not have to fight the Horde as a whole. All they had to fight was Garrrosh, and they did not have to fight any of the rest of the Horde forces and races that weren’t loyal to him, which was for all practicality was the Forsaken, Blood Elves, Trolls, Tauren Hoijin, Bilgewater, and even some Orcs.

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

Because the context was that the Alliance never won the war because they didn’t go far enough; not whether they should have gone further. That victory is conditional on more than just… Victory.

Context? This was the context of what you were responding to:

@Vildaryon-moon-guard

@Arlessa-earthen-ring

@Vildaryon-moon-guard

More to the point though, it wasn’t really about Teldrassil itself. It was about the massive loss of life for no other reason but to crush the Night elves will to live. She wanted to kill Malfurion to deliver that blow, but since Saurfang didn’t come through, she decided to burn Teldrassil instead.

Even extra more to the point, the entire War of Thorns crapped all over the Night elves to prop up Sylvanas as some sort of ubervillain and Night elves will never get the retribution they need.

Life isn’t fair. War is about change, not making sure everyone gets satisfied in the end. The Night Elves simply happen to be in the wrong place at the right time.

Funny how it’s okay that it’s unfair only when it’s happening to the Alliance though.

Context is that the Alliance never gets to go far enough, and then the Horde turns around and goes further than they did before because the Alliance didn’t.

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

Regardless of what happened, there would be plenty of people crapposting about how the Alliance should have done more. Regardless of what happens to the Horde, there will always be people crapposting about how it doesn’t matter, because X Y and Z means the Horde deserves it.

You know I’m right.

That will always be the case, yes. And I will always dismiss those people’s opinions as well. Example:

@Amadis-draka

Hetaera, if you think there are no good Orcs and there are no innocent Orcs, and that all Orcs deserve to be killed, then you are factually wrong. I’m also not here to play the “change my mind” game, so you can spin your loaded questions however you want, it will not make you right, and I don’t have to prove anything to you when other people can see that you are wrong for themselves.

But just because there are people who would be annoying or take things too far does not mean that others who are upset that the Alliance never gets to go far enough are wrong.

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

Then who won?

Looks like the Vol’jin won to me.

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

You can argue for a stalemate, but that would require arguing forcing an enemy to change their leadership through force is a mild inconvenience at best. You’re better than that.

Really? The Alliance forced the Horde to side with Vol’jin? I think you’re better than that.

@Alynsa-wyrmrest-accord

Short of fully disarming the Horde, what will satisfy the Alliance playerbase that the Horde won’t ever attack them again?

If I had my way, the Alliance and Horde would be unified, and all players could play together. That would pretty much assure that the Horde won’t ever attack the Alliance again, and the Alliance won’t ever attack the Horde again.

Will that satisfy the Alliance playerbase? I highly doubt the Alliance playerbase as a whole would find it unsatisfying, if anything, resolves a lot of gameplay issues. If you’re talking about specifically the Alliance story fanbase? Well, obviously there are plenty who would find it unsatisfying, but that’s what I would prefer over the unsatisfactory story we’re already getting any way.