No one hated Jaina

Other than making the lore that Blizz utterly destroyed whole again?

We have -EVERY- point to fix things. Things -SHOULD- be fixed. Blizzard has always simply swept things under the rug whenever their fan base didn’t like something. Pumping out garbage product after garbage product in a consistent barrage of cheap and lazy money grabbing tactics.

They have the responsibility to fix things, and at this point, a responsibility for a full retcon of WoW and starting over with the original lore and style as the basis with an emphasis on worldbuilding.

Simply moving forward with a change of focus is like coating a turd in frosting.

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Do you trust them to fix it without breaking and revamping even more stuff?

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No. I also don’t trust them to make better content going forward.

That doesn’t absolve them of responsibility.

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The BFA-era Blizz would go so far as to make the the frosting turd-flavored and demand we enjoy it more because of that fact. We have yet to see what the current Blizz would do, assuming it’s actually changed much at all.

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It’s a problem for me. I didn’t sign up to be the baddie.

I think whatever followup there was supposed to be left with Afrasiabi. And that’s assuming he had something actually planned, which I am skeptical of.

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As long as there is a seperate story for both sides everyone wins. Real problem is when they depend on wach other and Blizzard has to pick one side as the winner. And since Blizzard is alliance biased to the core the Horde never had a chance.

He didn’t they tried to resume trade but NE refused. Even if you think it is wrong, as a horde player i wouldn’t mind if our faction started war for that reason. However this was never brought up again… It sums up everything wrong with the story in my opinion.

This would give horde a valid reason and alliance a valid ish reason to be at war. both side a morally gray and heros of their own story

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I’m not interested in a separate-but-evil story. Again, it’s not what I signed up for.

All I wanted was some justification from my own side’s point of view, and BfA did not give us that.

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I mentioned this in another thread I believe, but every justification we do get, blizz than goes and whitewashes whatever the alliance did, making the whole thing worthless and pointless

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ya there are plenty of faults in what the alliance does but it just get whitewashed. After watching the lore questioning game with the dev I am convinced they did play the game prior to joining and do not simple lore. They have no passion for this game or the horde for that matter.

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Despite the Horde’s overall villain batting in BfA, the vast majority of Horde player questing has them doing hero things instead of villain things. All of Zandalar’s quest revolves around stopping blood trolls, stopping the traitor General What’shisname in Vol’dun, fighting Zul, and ultimately G’Huun.

Even in the War Campaign we only actually fight the Alliance a few times.

Agreed, they went and tipped the morality-meter to be extremely one-sided in BfA. I mean they Really made the Horde hated in the eyes of Alliance.

The town Brennadan in Stormsong Vale was originally suppose to be sacked by the nearby Quilboar. They changed it to Horde at the last minute, which left the whole thing just awkward and out of place. Meanwhile, do Horde get to fight any Alliance sacking innocent villagers in Zandalar areas? Nope. Alliance must maintain it’s squeaky clean whitewash.

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After their delegation got slaughter by Twilight’s Hammer who even Cairne thought was working for Garrosh.

And that is why the Horde ends up villain batted. If you havent notice, it is people who start wars who do end up turned into villain fuel. Regardless of how justified they are(see Daelin)

And than Blizz went ahead and retroactively made Daelin look like a absolute genius concerning the horde. And this what we horde players mean when we say that blizz refuses to stick the alliance with anything resembling moral ambiguity or heaven forbid, a actual crappy human being.

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Except they didnt. Jaina’s questline make it quite clear to the Alliance that Daelin was in the wrong. Hell, Anduin says “Arthas, Daelin…the ghosts of the past haunt us as well”.

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More from a players perception than the games. This is why we have alliance players who claim that Daelin was right to do what he did

Whether it was intentional or not, blizz ironically made the man look like a genius when they made the horde go overboard in the war crimes department during BfA

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I was responding Erevien saying there was no problem with being potrayed in the wrong.

That’s just it though. Even when the faction is being portrayed as being wrong, the players are mostly blocked away from that and allowed to be heroes. Only when we come across certain Alliance NPCs do we get the finger wagging treatment or the various threats, which are honestly nothing really.

Blizzard would prefer both Alliance and Horde players be treated as good guys and heroes instead of villains.

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Not in BfA.

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This was all during War of Thorns event then?
Yeah, sorry then. I refused to participate in that nonsense.

Daelin, was fighting for old grudges/racism, it is not the same thing. How is the horde evil in the scenario I mentioned where horde is fighting for its survival and alliance because they want the horde to starve.

I mean maybe we have different morals bro, if my neighbor was starving and i had an abundance of food, I wouldn’t let him starve. Only reason I wouldn’t give him food is if I wanted them dead. Same thing if my family was starving and my neighbor did that, you better believe I would fight to save my family.

Again maybe we have different morals, me denying someone food to me is the same as killing them.