But it would be enough that Sylvanas trying to start a war solely based on it would likely quickly fall apart. Honestly, I do wonder if the Horde actually knew about the whole Val’kyr thing. Saurfang seemed oblivious.
Eh, an attack on the Warchief with the intent to kill her during the Legion invasion is still just that, no matter if Sylvanas was there for ulterior motives or not. As for the rest of the Horde? I vaguely recall something in Azsuna, a sunken Forsaken ship that had some information, but that’s not 100% as of the moment and i’d need to go back and quest through Azsuna again.
This is not factual but rather my assumption; The Forsaken were aware of what was going on, the rest of the Horde did not.
We started with an inspiring new Warchief Sylvanas trying to rally the Horde troops to march and get some payback for Vol’jin, to a scheming Sylvanas doing shady nonsense all within the span of a couple weeks.
From the start of Legion to the end of Shadowlands, the handling of Sylvanas’s story was the fantasy world building equivalent of Chernobyl.
Between inspiring “For Vol’jin” speeches to Greymane’s attack in Stormheim, it was pretty easy to toss support behind Sylvanas. With every action after that though it became harder and harder to justify it.
I don’t know if it’s ever been confirmed, but this makes most sense to me if you assume that the Stormheim plot was what was planned for Sylvanas in Legion before they decided to kill Vol’jin. Then, when they decided she was going to be warchief, they grafted the “payback” scene onto the start of the expansion even though it didn’t match tonally with what came after.
Gen didn’t know that, his motivation was to just get back at her. Also I said instigate not start, that being said how does the war not start when the leader is attacked. That blizzard writing team for you
if if they knew about the Val’kyr thing, why would they care. We do not even know what it was about, she was trying to get something from her and now we do not know what it was.
Well there is that and the whole Broken Shore thing. I would guess Sylvanas/the Horde just leaving the Alliance for dead would be seen by people in an inworld setting as justification enough either for war or at least to be cautious of the Horde.
Simply, neither side wanted to fully commit to a war against the other. There is a reason a truce was reached because both sides were pretty exausted by the Legion they needed some time to recover.
I mean, the moment of peace/war have always been arbitrary. The Alliance has literally had causi belli to keep attacking the Horde/declaring full blown war ever since they decided to invade night elf land/we learned of everything Sylvanas was doing in the Undercity.
That’s where the problem lies. Yeah Genn thought Sylvanas and the horde left the alliance for dead at the broken shore, but the horde was getting massacred by the legion on that ledge. Even when Varian and Genn look up, they clearly see the demons looking down at them.
It should have been obvious to Genn what actually happened. Granted, should the horde have warned the alliance they were retreating? Perhaps. But can’t blame Sylvanas or the horde for protecting their own people.
No they don’t. Having superior morality doesn’t give you the right to attack someone. Also if Varian hadn’t declared to cut all trade to the Horde because of the wrathgate we wouldn’t have been pushed to just take the resources we need to survive. If you want to blame the Horde do it at Thrall because he chose a land for the Orcs that is devoid of anything what makes life nice.
If Sylvanas had not been experiment on humans and creating a deadly plague then maybe the Alliance would not have stopped trade. This entire thing can still be blamed on the Horde.
And you can’t blame the Alliance for assuming Sylvanas was up to no good. And bonus she really wasnt up to no good.
Discussions about legion really shows much better the writing was before its nose dive in BFA and Shadowlands.
It wasn’t perfect and it had its issues but it was good.
I don’t think Blizzard has written a better morally grey conflict since WC3, if WoW ended after Legion it would have been a good finale to this franchise.
Doesn’t matter, this didn’t start the war.
If it did Alliance armies and navy would have begun besieging Horde cities and raiding the borders. They didn’t do any of that because there was no war to be fought until the Horde started it.
The cope is real with this guy
Sometimes i don’t know if the Horde players complaining about the villainbat are actually mad that they ARE the villains or that they don’t want the villainy be portrayed as something negative instead of justified/heroic.
“Yeah so what I am eating a baby sandwhich! Its the right thing to do! FOR THE HORDE!!!”
The part about her being up to no good is meta knowledge that for some reason, gets tossed around like the characters in game knew that. No one knew she what she up to, until Genn accidently stumbled upon it.
bro I said instigate, remember and pay attention. you live in your own world and completely ignore what others say to you.
The other point i just pointed out forsaken tried to friends with human but it was human s that turned them away. Hey if he can give reason to why alliance did something, then it is only fair that we do the same. In this context forsaken and humans were in conflict because of humans. Guess you are incapable of understanding that.
Hear, hear.