Funny the Forsaken get to rebuild their old lost town while Darnassus and the rest of Teldrassil will be forever ruins.
Should have never allowed the Forsaken back to Tirisfal. Let them get a new place like the Night elves.
The Night Elf rebuild is coming. Its coming to dragon isles but still its coming. Only reason I re-subbed for a month.
We will probably see it Autumn of 2023
@Micah, lmao bro ok if you insist on this charade.
Oh I know the night elves will build something new. But they forever lost Teldrassil. If the Horde fans are so desperate for parity then the same should have happened to the Forsaken. Let Capital City be a no-man land for everyone.
I don’t really care about that kind of parity.
Old world is a dated area anyway. It seems they are setting something up… I will reserve my judgement until an old world revamp.
Let the forsaken retake Lordaeron and lets see what Blizzard does with Northern Kalimdor. Teldrassil was never that important. The issue was Horde being able to go through multiple zones and commit a mass extinction for fun and 0 repercussion.
There are Horde characters directly and indirectly associated to it and I hope we milk this thing out for years to come. Horde shouldn’t just get off whitewashed for this kind of reprehensible crap. For now I am really interested what they do with the new tree… is it just a tree? A city? A potential new starting zone? What about all the dead NE souls? Are they coming back? New customizations? NE paladins? Heritage armor?
Lets see what they do. Teldrassil as a location was important but not that important.
It was never central to NE lore or race identity.
Teldrassil was originally Staghelm’s wild attempt at trying to regain immortality. Just because it got a cleansing and a blessing after the fact doesn’t change that. The most tragic loss sustained with its destruction was the people caught in the flames, not the tree itself burning.
Not nearly as important to the night elves as Lordaeron is to not just the Forsaken, but a lot of humans in the Alliance as well. Many of whom are likely still eyeballing it with hopes of someday launching a Blue Crusade to try and reclaim it for the Alliance.
Gotta have all dem hoomin kingdoms back under Blue Banner, yo. 
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I think the reason why Teldrassil was near and dear to a lot of NE’s hearts is because it was their “Ashenvale”
Large purple trees ✓
Night Elf villages dotted around ✓
A big tree elf city with Elune temple ✓
epic Night Elf theme playing in random intervals ✓
Then you go to Darkshore and it looks like you stepped into Silverpine forest. And then you go to Ashenvale and that “I am home again” feeling comes back but this time there is undead rogue to backstab you as soon as you cross the border.
Then Cataclysm made this way worse.
Hyjal was under attack and shared
Darkshore was broken into a hundred pieces and under attack.
Ashenvale was burning on the left and deforested on the right.
With Teldrassil gone they basically lost the one verdant thematic home they had left.
Valshara being the only place left with the Night Elf themed trees and aesthetic but that place also had its own problems…
This is why I am looking forward to a world revamp. I think the game and several races desperately need it.
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I’m curious how folks would react if they do a world revamp and Ashenvale is still contested with Horde bases present. 
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Probably depends.
If they are still doing this then people would be upset.
If not though… Blizzard is moving away from segregating factions and races so most likely both will be present and the questing would be more positive. The only ones mad would be the highly partisan people… like Treng or Erevien or some NE fan upset for not having exclusive access to that area.
ooo I can see a potential scenario out of all this.
Night elves go ahead and expell all Horde forces out of Ashenvale and set up permanent outposts at the edge of the barrens. Orders are to shoot any orc, troll, or tauren who get within archery range of said outposts.
They let the goblins keep Azshara but put economic sanctions so goblins find it harder to cash in on natural resources they dig up there.
On the flip side, Alliance bases in South and North Bases remain with a few ships patrolling waters off the coast of Durotar. Any Horde protests to this are met with, “You guys lost the war that YOU started. Bases stay. We’re keeping our eyes on you.”
At first, Horde Council agrees because desires to keep the peace, but eventually Horde peoples get tired of getting squeezed like this. A campaign is launched, bases are destroyed, humans are routed, night elf bases on Ashenvale’s border are razed, etc. Back home, Alliance leaders get scream, “SEE?!?! Horde is Starting Another War! To Arms! There Can Be No Co-existance!”
5th War Begins. And Blizzard could still operate under the idea that “The Horde Started It”.
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Mostlikely something like Vanilla. Orcs are trying to rebuild the old bases they lost in the previous conflicts. Maybe its an overgrown ruin that they try to reclaim.
Meanwhile Alliance quests are sabotaging those efforts 
I doubt any conflict between the two sides would ever get more than this.
With Theramore gone I doubt those would be rebuilt. Jaina has no desire to to rebuild a city for people that are dead… but maybe… who knows?
Thanks to BFA there is no conflict in the future that the Horde would be in “the right”.
Either they deserve it or they are a third villain bat.
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So your trying to say they have as many cities and zones as the alliance? Yes horde has bildgewater harbor but they still have a lot less cities than the alliance.
That’s not true.
If there’s peace and Alliance starts a war, they would be in the wrong. This is why Daelin Proudmoore is looked on as a villain in the lore. He started a war during peace time because he couldn’t get past his hate over all the losses caused by the orcs during the 2nd war, especially his own son’s death. No one’s saying he didn’t have a legit gripe, but he was wrong to break the peace that had been established.
Same would be true with Alliance if they started a new war tomorrow.
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I want you to know I’ve screenshot your post.
So any time the Alliance gets back something it has lost, I’m going to post it to show that you tacitly agree that the Alliance cannot in any way complain about it, because that territory was returned.
No matter how many years after it was destroyed.
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Pity the humans didn’t get a spirit quest like the orcs. I’d love to know what that guy thinks of said son joining the very Horde he wasted his life trying to destroy.
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How? Horde has had multiple peace treaties with the Alliance and broken each one (thanks golden).
If the Alliance even slightly mistrusts the Horde and starts the fight before the Horde has a chance too… thats just called basic logic.
Daelin was seen as a villain because he was not willing to give a chance to the Orcs/Horde even though they had proven themselves able to be better.
When BFA started this is the same Jaina who advocated for peace:
“I am listening now father”
And after the Kultiras questing the only thing that changed was that she didn’t consider herself culpable of his murder.
Unfortunately, after Garrosh and Sylvanas this no longer holds true.
The Horde is stained and their hands are drentched in buckets of blood, any war with them is moral and logical. Meta not withstanding the next Horde attack isn’t a question of if but rather when.
Jaina as a character is proof that if you give the Horde a chance to live in coexistence with the monster faction, you will live to surely regret that.
Tyrande and her people? Another proof.
I’m honestly sad we never got to see Daelin’s soul languishing in Revendreth. I don’t think he would have been sent to the Maw. Garrosh got his initial shot at penance and redemption even.
How it works is that there’s currently peace between the factions, meaning no war, no fighting, no mass amounts of soldiers or civilians dying. So the side that breaks that peace and starts the war is the one who commits their forces to dying, more civilians to dying, etc. The blood would be on their hands.
This is true for the Alliance as much as it is for the Horde. If the Alliance started the war over some fearful paranioa that the Horde’s plotting against them, that changes nothing.
You are contradicting yourself here. You’ve been arguing non-stop “They can’t prove themselves better, they have too much blood on their hands” and here you admit that Daelin’s villainy is based on his inability to see that they have changed. So which is it?
Blackhand had more blood on his hands than Garrosh and Sylvanas put together. Arguably, so did Orgrim Doomhammer. By your logic, Daelin was justified in his attempt to start his war.
Yet lore looks at him as a villain.
In story where Blizzard has been ret-conning, excusing, and sweeping any and all moral gray moments done by Alliance under the rug, they still have this one guy. This one guy who they label alongside Arthas as someone they recognize as a complete and total jackhole. Even Katherine Proudmoore recognized that Daelin was too engrossed in his own hates to be saved.
Yet, according to your logic, he was the good guy in the whole situation. 
I doubt it. With them going through with things like cross-faction groups, raids, guilds even, who knows what next, it’s looking more and more likely that they won’t be doing anymore faction wars at all.
If there ever is anymore Horde vs Alliance things happening it’ll likely be left to dinky little skirmishes over whatever it is the newest thing to fight over and kept local. All just to justify the existance of pee vee pee.
Big, world wide war story arcs? Probably never again, and that’s probably for the best.
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Daelin wasn’t willing to give them a chance even once.
The current Horde has had multiple chances and has failed everytime.
They both had demonblood excuse, got removed from power and a new Horde was formed by many new generation Orcs + other races that had very little to do with what the orcs had done over a decade ago. Daelin is entitled to his hatred true but the Orcs had come a long way especially after Reign of Chaos game.
Current Horde though? Not so much. We went back several steps actually.
Not a good guy but a guy who was right to mistrust the Horde. It led to his death but he was correct.
As I said, if we take the meta out of it, Blizzard will never touch another faction war, but in the Lore the Horde’s tendency to violence against their neighbors speaks otherwise. The attack is a certainty. It will come sooner or later, as evidenced by past Horde behavior. There is nothing demonstrated by the Horde that prove otherwise.
No piece of parchment or treaty will stop them as Genn said when fourth war was concluded.
Its not paranoia when the Horde has lived up to the “unfair” stereotypes they decry. The Horde will attack again because they always attack because they have done so every time before. Jaina learned her lesson, so did Tyrande, Genn knows all too well. Cooexistance with the Horde is a near impossibility.
Thats why I like that Tyrande will have the NEs relocated to the Dragonisles… the Horde has to go through almost insurmountable odds to get at the NEs again.
Except now. Here we are at peace, cooperating even, and we haven’t failed yet.
Maybe Horde will stumble again in the future, maybe they won’t. It really depends on if Blizzard will continue keeping it’s lips tightly sealed to the buttcheeks of bad trope.
Maybe they’ll get them to come off and actually make a situation where the Alliance attack first and there can be another Alliance personality the lore can look back on and recognize “Hey, this guy/gal was a big fat jerk”.
Maybe someday we’ll also get Warcraft4.
/shrug
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This isn’t something new… we have done this before. Multiple times.
What happens everytime?
The Horde attacks. Kills lots of people including civilians and then they start fighting each other until the Alliance comes in and settles their dispute.
Every time.
Including the first couple of wars too when they were under fel corruption. This is what I meant when I said we have gone backwards.
This is outside of Blizzard now. Whether they do it or not. The Lore has made it so that the Horde’s violent tendencies are a certainty and peace a near impossibility.
As long as the Horde exists so does its undeniable danger.
As I said even if the Alliance attacks they are 100% justified.
Sure the guy would be big fat jerk but he would still be absolutely correct. He saw an opportunity to ensure safety for generations to come? How could he not take it?
Do we really need another Genn Greymane? Another Tyrande? Another Jaina? Thats lunacy.
Better to defang the Horde than let them try again. Because they will. They always do.
Horde is what blizzard writes them as. That being said, horde races have very honorable characters, orcs don’t lie, Tauren are peaceful by nature. It is not hard to imagine horde being peaceful as long as it prospering.
It can also be said that alliance will attack because it is expansionistic by nature. It’s members such as human all ways have and always will want to expand their kingdoms.
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