Does it matter? It was one of our cities and we lost it and the Horde never lost anythinv of a similar magnitude.
And they get Azshara/Bildgewater Harbor while the worgens got a tree…that burned.
Consider it payment for all the city and death the Horde caused on the Alliance civilians. Maybe if the Horde didnt idolize warmongering genociders said leaders would still be around.
That isn’t really a fair payment at all. The only CAPITAL city you lost was Darnassus and you will get a new one by the time Dragonflight is over. But characters stay dead which means Horde will not matter in the neutral story since those are all driven by alliance persoanlities all the time. See evidence every expansion after MoP.
Not a good replacement. Would have been better if all cartels join the Horde and Undermine getting canonized.
As I said before, dead characters are worse then lost zones. Land can be taken back but people stay dead.
Lord, I am so over this junk. The “Alliance-Good, Horde Bad meme” is nothing more than another repetition of claims that that have been rebutted over and over (with no attempt to even address those rebuttals, just the same slogans and talking points). Even the faction war itself nothing more than contrived plot the has been so over done as to be stale.
My only comment is that Blizzard needs to move on from this crap…
And the Horde has not lost any town/cities.
And our cities with its own culture and history, all end up in the dustbin of history.
Your most likely not getting undermine. Also, it is alot better then what the Worgens got.
The previous poster didn’t say anything about ownership, all they said was this which you responded to with who owns what.
This may have been true in Vanilla but that was 20 years ago. Time to get over it.
Besides in gameplay or it doesn’t matter who owns how many zones, every faction had 2-3 starting zones. The Horde though had the barrens because yeah it is one zone but it was absolutely massive. So massive they had to cut into two when cataclysm arrived.
You have a serious case of projection issue here. The alliance poster complains about how Darkshore is in ruins, and you start measuring who owns what lands. It was complete left field contribution to what they said… completely irrelevant.
Micah at it again I see.
Undermine is the heart of goblin culture as is Mechagon City for the Gnomes.
At least the alliance has those to lose. All cities the Horde has, except Silvermoon, were created from nothing and are no older then 15 years. Stormwind and Ironforge existed far longer.
In a story driven by characters and raid bosses cities will never matter beyond being a RP hub and getting quests to level. If you look for that I consider you play ESO or Guild Wars 2.
Horde never had anything of a similar magnitude as the alliance.
Sure give us more cities and zone than the alliance. Then take some away, when you do villain bay the alliance kill/exile majority of their leaders/characters. Make their capitals raids.
We have lost towns and cities. Or is Zerde pretending the alliance scar in tirisfal didn’t happen because he’s a compulsive liar??
Dude it is still true in the latest books, it has not changed. I am not even sure what your trying to say. To add even the horde starting bases are contested like Durotar and Barrens as they both have alliance bases. This was confirmed in exploring Kalimdor.
I am simply pointing out the disparity between the 2 factions, you some how thing this isn’t a fair point? As a horde player I have raided horde capitals and saved alliance capitals, I have saved or help in saving alliance character while I killing or helped killing horde characters. I brought up who owns how much land to make a point alliance is the faction who always got more development, better treatment and more screen time.
Than we have alliance poster complain about Tryande not one-shotting horde characters. They complained about thrall having screen time in cata for years when malfurion had more screen time in that expansion. I can give you more examples if you like.
So you are justifying War of Thornes because in a book it is said a territory canonically belongs to a certain race that belongs to a faction? Now who is the cry baby?
Try playing both factions, you would get a more well rounded experience.
If you mean Nathanos then yes canonically he should have gotten one shotted. Besides it would have worked much better narratively and explained Sylvanas’ outbursts at the end of the war.
Yes people complain about lots of things. How is that relevant?
Are you pretending that you didnt get back Brill, which is arguable more important? At worse you got your town back with minor damage to the Zone, the night elves both LOST their towns and had envinronmental damage done to Darkshore/Ashenvale.
Again, I literally just gave you one, Bildgewater Harbor. The worgen equivalent was tree and that got burned down with another tree.
That is rich coming from the guy that would make sure Capital City never goes back to the Alliance.
As soon as you have a giant crater in the middle of Ogrimmar for about 3 expansions. Have either the forsaken/Blood elves lose their cities/towns again to both Alliance and some big bad and maybe have something the Horde has defended/been a monument for their defiance against the Alliance be crush by Alternate Timeline Alliance(which luckily we are getting), Alterac Valley would be a nice start. And the Alliance gets commit attrocity after attrocity against the Horde for a few expansions with no reprocussions.
One horrible idea after another. These aren’t the good ideas you think they are. Why do we need to make horde players even more miserable than they already are? What fun is there in that?
The complain is why the Alliance has for the most part, not lost our leaders. I say if you want our leaders dead then I want the Horde to experience our losses. And the reason why Blizzard has for the most part not killed them off.
If they want Alliance leaders head on a pike then I want them to experience what the Alliance experienced.
We lost one zone and a minor city in Dustwallow Marsh compared to the numerous losses the horde has suffered. I think you’re being a little overdramatic, if you think the alliance has it worse than the horde in the loss column.
Theramore
Auburdine
Nigel’s Point
Nethergarde
Southshore
Bael Modan
The list goes on and on of towns/cities we lost while the Horde didnt.
A few Horde leaders are dead compared to entire cities and town of Alliance. As I said earlier if they want to see more Alliance heroes die it should be at the same cost of lost zones/towns/NPC.
The Horde barely has anything worth losing. Their motto is strength and honor, and in the story we barely see any evidence of any honor or strength in faction conflicts
Cunning and cowardice is probably a better motto for them.
Anyway they don’t have any locations worth taking or any characters worth killing anymore, its a pointless exercise. The only thing thats left for them is to justify their cooperation with their victims. thats it.
Micah does this every couple of months. They choose either the blue talking points or the red talking points alternatively. The objective isn’t the lore but to bait positive response and encouragement from whoever they are advocating for.
Before Ren gave them all the positive reinforcement they needed but they are gone now and Micah has to fill that need in another way.
“You rebuilt a town three to six years after losing it” does not mean it wasn’t lost.
Listen, I know you think your boyfriend is posting here. Will you stop with the obession with someone who isn’t even here? It’s creepy as hell
It’s exhausting having to explain to you repeatlly who I am not just because you have a obession with this person. Let it go
Move on. It’s unhealthy
It’s your creepy obession of yours. Leave me the hell out of it. I’m not interested in your stalkerish behavior concerning someone else