No one hated Jaina

Reallyhappy-dalaran · February 7, 2019, 9:30pm

Does this mean the next expansion will be our Andromeda?

Draegar-garrosh · February 7, 2019, 9:32pm

Oh no, what have I done?

Pellex-hyjal · February 7, 2019, 9:45pm

I can only conclude that somehow, some way, they honestly believe they are telling a good/nuanced story. I don’t know how they can think that, but then, I can’t see where this is all leading either.

Drahliana-earthen-ring · February 7, 2019, 9:46pm

Draegar:

Drahliana:

Draegar:

As loath as I am to even dip foot in this thread again, I want to clarify that I did, and do, care about what happened to the nelves, I think Teldrassil was monstrous and the most story-ruining plot Blizzard has foisted on us, and I genuinely feel bad for the ardent nelf roleplayers who are having to deal with the fallout from it.

Storywise, the only real regret is that I feel that Blizzard did not have enough confidence in it’s players to deliver a nuanced storyline.

But given the wider culture of Blizzard players outside of the extremely tiny niche represented in this particular forum, I can’t say that I blame them. I and we have to remember that we’re not the people this game is marketed to, and we pretty much have to settle for what few bones are thrown our way, and make the most with them.

I think what kills me about that is that the people who are playing this game for high level raiding or PvP/BGs or whatever ultimately don’t care about the story or whatever pretense is delivered for the raids or PvP action. So why NOT cater the story to the weirdo diehard lore nerds who actually want a nuanced story? I mean, obviously I’m probably underestimating the number of people who care enough about the story to get into really “For the Alliance” and “For the Horde” team colors roleplay, but again, I really think those sorts would be satisfied by just about anything as long as there was some kind of cool fistpump moment for their faction. Meanwhile, now, the only people fistpumping are the people who don’t care about story and would be fistpumping anyway, and the rest of us are sitting here like Mass Effect fans who just finished the end of 3 for the first time, wondering what the hell happened and how it all went so wrong.

Because when it comes down to brass tacks, the only people they’re really afraid of alienating are the testosterone driven GamerGate crowd.

Elenstelle-moon-guard · February 7, 2019, 10:42pm

Hate to break it to you, but this is Andromeda. “Draenor is Free” was our ME3 moment.

Arlifrex-moon-guard · February 7, 2019, 11:45pm

Look, I’m not racist but, elves look terrible without a shirt.

Arlifrex-moon-guard · February 7, 2019, 11:52pm

When has any discussion about faction conflict gone anyway?

Irenaus-wyrmrest-accord · February 11, 2019, 10:03pm

Was reading back through The Chronicle 3 and it had this bit I noted.

Like most humans, the grand marshal considered the naga to be sinister creatures, little better than the Scourge.

Doesn’t quite say how they knew, but that apparently most humans had the view that naga were evil.

Bargrand-aerie-peak · February 11, 2019, 10:13pm

Were Illidan’s Naga the first ones to leave the ocean? We see many different groups of Naga attacking the coasts of EK and Kal.

Akiyass-moon-guard · February 11, 2019, 10:18pm

Azshara instructed Vashj to help Illidan’s crusade against the Legion, because she was salty her deal with Sargaras costed her her empire.

Bargrand-aerie-peak · February 11, 2019, 10:21pm

I know. I’m asking if that was the first time Naga came on land. If Naga attacks had been a regular thing for a long time, it would explain why so many people hated them.

Reallyhappy-dalaran · February 11, 2019, 10:22pm

You know i hope if the illidari are brought up again that their Naga stay loyal instead of joining Azshara.

Akiyass-moon-guard · February 11, 2019, 10:23pm

Idk man, I would like to see the Illidari Naga sabotaging them from the inside.

Irenaus-wyrmrest-accord · February 11, 2019, 10:32pm

Seems so, per the sources.

Roughly ten thousand years later, shortly before the Third War, the naga began emerging from the ocean’s depths.

From the old WoW Encyclopedia.

It would take over ten thousand years before the naga would reveal their existence to the surface world.

From the in-game book The Sundering of the World. In Warcraft 3, Vashj also reveals they were once Night Elves to Maiev, who is surprised. The only other example I can see is around the same time, Zar’jira who the Darkspear said had been ruling the Murlocs a while.

Drahliana-earthen-ring · February 11, 2019, 11:37pm

Compared to what? Moonkin in Winterspring? the hapless Velinde who was gifted the Scythe bearing the goddess’s name and soon lost control over what it brought forth? I mean really, it’s not like there’s a high pre-existing bar to measure up to.

Drahliana-earthen-ring · February 11, 2019, 11:41pm

I believe that’s known as the My Lai defense.

Treng-wyrmrest-accord · February 12, 2019, 12:00am

Compared to her previous power, which was already god-tier. Everyone always talks about how powerful Tyrande is and has always been. Now she’s even higher up in god tier.

Worgan-sentinels · February 12, 2019, 7:42am

do most horde players really hate Jaina still?

Lössë-drakkari · February 12, 2019, 7:46am

well, it seems like is mostly hated by horde players while has a considerable amount of support from alliance players (not all, of course)
so i would say that is working as intended,for the most part,at least.

we could say that blizzard plan has worked?

Okagha-blackhand · February 12, 2019, 8:14am

BfA isn’t really helping Horde players get over their hate of Jaina.