No mage changes in the PTR? really?

Well then you lied about underperforming I guess? I don’t know what to tell you if your parses were average and you did what you called a bad pull.

If you’re playing an enhancement shaman, they’re currently one of the best dps specs in the game.

The parses don’t lie. What you’re missing is that Heroic doesn’t demand nearly as much from people as you make it out to.

My parses were not average. The group’s was. Mine were god awful for these two pulls.

I am aware that Enhancement is doing well right now. We also bring WFT, which makes rogues, monks, DH, etc. better. Though I’m not sure why you believe this to be relevant.

EDIT: Apologies, on the Sennarth log there was one person performing quite well. You could argue he ‘carried’ but the pulls were not so demanding that anyone had to go above and beyond to finish the fights. They didn’t even go that poorly, I just performed atrociously.

I was assuming you were talking about the average parse number required to down the boss, not the average of all players doing the boss.

Do you at least get the point?

No one went turbo gamer. We had some underperformers, of which I was one, and some people performing average at best (particularly on our Dathea pull).

I was pugged in, a friend of one of the healers. This was not difficult, and I was high out of my mind at the time. Nor am I anything special, as you can easily tell via just my achievements, even.

I get your point but I just don’t entirely agree with it. I think people who are good at this game underestimate themselves and look at the world’s best and think they’re worse than they are because their numbers aren’t as high.

And then their idea of difficulty gets skewed.

Managing and coordinating 15-20 people in a specific way in a video game is I think is a fairly difficult thing to do and it has a whole lot of barriers to people being able to do it consistently and successfully.

Also, not all of us think having weak auras telling us our rotation to max dps is riveting gameplay lol.

Again, not everyone does these, even among RWF. In fact a lot of times it’s frowned on, because freestyling sometimes becomes required based on positioning (see: Sundering use in rare spread target circumstances; Sundering is not a high priority on single target)

I even understand why you’d hate it. I don’t like having a lot of WAs on at all, and really prefer to use it solely to track certain buffs.

Sure, it can be, but that’s why not everyone is the raid lead. That’s why sometimes the raid lead isn’t even the one doing callouts if that’s something that’s happening. In many cases, even with organized groups, my raids are fairly quiet. To your credit, there is often, especially in pugging, an expectation of knowing what to do already. At least for minor things, like know when Dathea’s going to Cyclone, or when it ends.

I don’t believe this to be a barrier for people. If the majority of people feel ostracized for this alone, why wouldn’t they band together and make chill Heroic groups? It seems much more likely that people have their individual reasons not to Heroic raid. Sometimes they even sell themselves short, and think they can’t Heroic raid, when in reality they absolutely can.

Some groups don’t have raid leads. They have collective groups who shout out mechanics. Success varies.

I think it’s because people in wow generally want to play with their friends, but don’t have enough to make their own entire raid group. (I am lucky enough to be in a chill raid group at the moment.) But a lot of people who want that chill atmosphere can’t find it and get tense when they have to be a try hard with the sweaty performers and the antisocial people who are only here for downing the boss and getting loot.

That’s why raiding has more barriers to becoming successful than just the difficulty of the raid dps check and the mechanics. Communication is itself a raid check too.

So, a lot of people who play this game casually can’t schedule the time or keep up with the gear treadmill to be successful at heroic raids until near the end of a raid season if at all. It’s why I think “casual mythic raiding” isn’t really a thing-- unless you have a lot of buddies who have done it before you’ve ever tried to and are already geared in mythic bling.

Sure. But this isn’t a real barrier, it’s self-imposed. And that’s fine. Not everyone has to Heroic raid, but that doesn’t mean they cannot.

It isn’t that they can’t schedule time, or keep up, it’s that they don’t want to deal with the circumstances that they would have to were they to schedule what they can, and keep up with the people they have to keep up with. Which is, again, fine.

It becomes a real barrier when dealing with things like:
-sexism
-homophobia
-racism
-aggressive players who will be nasty to new or underperforming players

Do you believe these to be the norm? Do you expect this out of a certain tier of player?

I don’t expect it to be a norm, no. But I have seen it happen in real time for more groups than I can count when I wasn’t playing with a preestablished group of friends.

I’ve played with some pugs where it didn’t happen. I just think that it happens enough to where it can affect people’s willingness to pug.

arms warrior is absolute dogpiss right now

I was hoping they at least make that magic circle thing a proc or something and maybe buff the dmg up and possibly give us more mobility. plus where is the flavor of being a mage? not much class fantasy happening here just dull generic spells, the class needs better spell effects more devastating area affect spells and the ability’s to create waypoints anywhere and use them to teleport to. we should be able to create pocket dimensions to store stuff and we should have a wider selections of elemental pets to use for tanking or dps for solo mages. and familiars what up with the tesla orb?

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I’m so sad that legion ability where you can blink 5 times at once got yeeted out of existence. I want it back. :cry:

tbf destro drew that straw in the past few expansions as well

part of why i rerolled to dh

when lock specs are bad locks just roll a different spec or unsub

when dh is bad dh players complain constantly until buffs go out and ain’t nobody at blizzard have time for that

barely… glacial spike and ray of frost no one sill take… still… and frost bolt will be a total of about 500dp increase…

How funny that you ignored the question.

Arent frost getting like 20% buff next week lmao blizz fav class

Ah yes, the Guardian Druid special.

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Because it is when played properly. .

Yet you cant anwser the question. What class do you play?