Tried my hand at guilds in the past.
Nah I’m good. No guild, no drama.
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I recommend at least putting together your own guild to get the hearthstone reduction. Kick out everyone but yourself and enjoy the bliss 
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Ion probably couldn’t fill his m+ pugg group together and blamed delves for it.
Delves has lost its purpose and meaning, I guess I will just collect my delve rewards and be done with it.
Amongst players who didn’t want to raid, it sure did. Just like delves will do for players who don’t want to M+. And that’s a good thing. You will never find me trying to say players should feel compelled to play content they don’t enjoy. If a player was running M+ chooses to switch to delves because it suits their preferences better, that’s a win for the game.
But I’m not sure what this has to do with my comment on how M+ didn’t cause any of the changes in dungeon design or social aspects of WoW…
For the Conquest gear, I’d say this is such a rarity that it doesn’t really come up. How many people rocking 619 Conquest gear that aren’t also running M+/raid decide to jump into those keys? I’m sure it happens, but I suspect it’s a very small percentage.
As for heroic raid, there are a lot of similarities in mechanics between raid and M+. There are some dungeon-specific things that aren’t obvious, but someone who is capable in heroic raid probably has all the basic and most of the advanced concepts that are shared between all PvE content down pat.
Also, the mechanical difficulty of heroic raid is far closer to that of a +7 than delves; there’s a far greater likelihood the player will understand how to use their spec since heroic raid has throughput checks and a need for defensives. With delves, players can literally tag every mob, let Brann take aggro, then just chug the potions Brann drops to keep themselves alive through the random casts; they can just outlast every enemy regardless how long it takes.
There is a far greater likelihood that someone who geared via heroic raiding has a general grasp of the common mechanics and their spec than someone who geared via delves.
The fix is to make a +2 as hard as a +7, +3 as hard as a +8, and so on.
You know, exactly the same way they made a +2 as hard as a +10, and so on last expansion, and the reason I don’t do M+ anymore. They’re too hard for me. I enjoy the slow methodical pace of Delves.
The social effects were less raiders, more clicks. People that stopped raiding to just run M+. It’s their choice, but is an effect on the group as a whole.
Give the 11 a go, the worst that can happen is that it will drop to a 10 which you are already doing. The jump from 10s to 11s isn’t bad.
Your argument is actually coming from an emotional standpoint if you can’t step back and see how rewards from one end-game pillar impact the others. It’s a fact that delves is far too rewarding for the current difficulty. Tons of players were getting Delves+8s done with pre-season gear. Try jumping into +6 keys or the 2nd half of Normal raid with pre-season and see if the same players finishing Delves+8 would be as successful. It wasn’t balanced and it’s as simple as that.
I don’t care if Delves get access to Hero track as long as obtaining it is balanced with other end-game content.
No, that’s an opinion. Not a fact.
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Very true and will do this week… finally lol
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No, it’s actually a fact that it’s far too rewarding in relation to the difficulty of the content.
Delves+8
M+6
5-8/8 Normal Raid
Are you telling me Delves is just as difficult as the other two?
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Not when the overall gear scale stays the same.
Do we really have to link you the dictionary definition of the words FACT and OPINION?
Maybe take a break from being wannabe game dev and just play the game without worrying so much about what other people are doing?
Or make your own game?
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No, but you might need it for yourself.
Everything you said has nothing to do with my argumentation. If I am so wrong then why can’t you rebut it with an actual counter.
Let’s start here. 1) What exactly is my argument? 2) Why is it wrong?
It’s not only Delvers that hit a wall. Raiders do too. It takes forever to collect enough Gilded Crests to do a single upgrade in Raids. Why is M+ better than raids for gilded crests? It’s ridiculous.
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By definition that’s an opinion.
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No, it’s not. Are you telling me that Delves+8 is just as difficult as the other two? It’s a fact that players were easily completing and getting max rewards from Delves at launch with pre season gear. This is a fact. It’s also a fact that these same people were complaining about the difficulty of M+ with keys even lower than +6.
The scaling and difficulty of M+6, even lower, is higher than a Delves+8 even though they give equivalent rewards.
Just repeating “that’s an opinion” isn’t an argument. Tell me why I’m wrong then.
Come on, do I REALLY have to explain the problem with this statement to you?
I think you’re intelligent enough to understand this. You do act like the honorary game dev, after all.
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No, I don’t. I’m just able to remove myself as an individual to argue about a topic.
I like how no one has yet to counter with an actual articulate rebuttal. So far it’s basically been the equivalent of “no u”.
No OP, delves cannot be equal to M+ or raiding. It’d be too easy and a joke to gear then.
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Because I can think it’s perfectly the right amount of difficulty (an opinion) and you can thing it’s not the right amount of difficultly (an opinion), then this statement is, in Fact, an opinion. It’s subjective, not objective. There is less coordination required to preform the task, Fact. Mob have lower HP, Fact. Has an average lower time of completion, Fact. It’s too rewarding, OPINION. Words mean things.