The Horde has no Warchief, the Horde cast is incredibly inconsistent and OOC with their only familiarity being their new models you’re giving them and the Horde was never given any motive for the war which ended unceremoniously with a lesson that the Horde isn’t evil. Again.
Except for the majority which apparently supported Sylv and just decided to “repent” when Sylv said some mean words rather than any act of good conscious or belief.
All the while, I’m forced to be a traitor and constantly told “yeah you have reasons to hate the alliance but we have to work with them” despite having no reason to hate them aside from the fact they picked Blue on character select screen.
I’m not sure Blizzard understood how this irreparably sets up the Horde in the story.
“You’re all disgusting, revolting monsters that kill thousands upon thousands of innocents unrepentantly until your leader says you’re a big stinky poopoo head” is hardly the Horde finding itself.
The level of blatant lying Blizz conducted during the preamble to this expansion is just pathetic. What’s also pathetic is them recycling the worst parts from an already controversial expansion and passing it off as a new, grittier, morally grey faction war when it was anything but.
Honestly, I feel like it’s the best outcome we could’ve hoped for.
Saurfang fans got to see him claim a moral victory over Sylvanas by getting her to spill her feelings before dying the warrior’s death he always wanted.
Sylvanas fans didn’t see her get killed.
Huggy-huggy-peace-time Anduin fans got to see them make nice with Saurfang’s rebellion.
The only major group left to twist in the wind are nelf fans who are left without vengeance against Sylvanas and the ones responsible for Teldrassil (i.e. the Horde military who followed her orders without question).
No, just no. The best outcome would to have never had the idiotic decision to make Windrunner Warchief, not have her have the Horde aid her in conducting mass murder of a playable race, not to have her use the Horde as idiotic henchmen as she plagued lands and cursed people into Undeath.
Not to wait until the least logical moment to have the Horde give any kind of objection to her mustache twirling nonsense. If other characters were allowed to be in character with Windrunner around them then when she proposed to invade Ashenvale Saurfang, acting in character, would have decapitated her then and there.
Yeah, buuuuut that’s not the hand we were dealt. We don’t get to turn back the hands of time. (Unless it’s to pull orcs out of an alternate universe for a hamfisted revival of old Warcraft antagonists.)
There have been hundreds of fan ideas that make for a more compelling story than what we get, and I’m saying, based on where we stood as of September 23rd, what we got on the 24th was probably the most satisfying ending we could get for all parties involved.
I hate ol’ Sylvie but throwing her fans totally under the bus wasn’t going to get Blizzard many continued subscribers.
I’ve washed my hand of retail long ago, back in MoP actually when this trite, edgy, belittling garbage played out the first time. I hated it then, I hate it more now. My only active characters are on Classic where I can enjoy both factions without feeling like a helpless victim or a willing idiot aiding a mass murdering psychopath.
I can go see Thrall (the real Thrall and not Green Jesus) on my Horde character and read his speech about how his Horde won’t be demon-fueled monsters or mindless undead lead by a irredeemable Lich.
There was a good basis for the war, if they stuck with it and actually tried to sell it as something politically driven, instead of BFA Sylvanas going, and I quote; “ThE HoRdE iS nOtHiNg!!!” after doing a bunch of heinous (profanity). Waging war after an assassination attempt on the Warchief is fair game. Doing a bunch of morally bankrupt (profanity) thereafter and saying it’s not MOP is not.
It was indeed MOP 2.0 and shame on anyone from the Company that dared to claim otherwise.
I honestly hope they treat BFA as non-canon. Or, they shy away from it and never, ever, ever reference it again. I don’t even want to see Sylvanas again. Or any further mention of Anduin and Saurfang hugging it out. Or King Rastakhan. Or anything. Sweet merciful lord, this was an unmitigated disaster.
I think that last major group doesn’t even have to necessarily be night elf fans, but Alliance players in general who want to see Sylvanas finally pay for her crimes. And if you ask me, those make up the majority of Alliance fans.
Like seriously, I’ve never even met someone who falls under the criteria of 3…
satisfied with the ending? nah man. but happy that it looks like we’re all gonna be able to join parties together in the future? pretty stoked about that
i am not “satisfied” i am more or less in the camp “acceptable”.
i despise faction war so i am kinda glad that is over
but at the same time they can’t just… forget what they have done, like.
They need to pay for it.
And you know what is worse? is that they are currently in their worst moment.
The expansion and this patch has been heavy horde focused but take a look
Another warchief BETRAYED THEM, they lost another leader
they currently have 4 races without one.
and not a single one has been because the alliance for retributtion for our losses.
The OP is right, is a disaster, a complete mess, burning teldrassil like that at the hands of the other faction was possible the worst thing they could have ever done if they plan to keep the status quo.
TBH … I’m still hoping the NEs get that vengeance against at LEAST Sylvanas. Think they’re barking up the wrong tree for vengeance against the Horde at this point tho; there aren’t enough leaders left to behead, and I can’t see a way we’re keeping the land we got, or reclaiming the land we lost. Darkspear haven’t had a leader in ages, and Rokhan sided with Saurfang the moment the guy asked. The Forsaken are completely leaderless. The MU Orcs don’t have a leader.
Even the Bilgewater’s leader is MIA atm. The only leaders left are the least contentious ones for Alliance (Lor’themar and Baine) … and the AR leaders. Strange to think that the outcome is shaping up to be the same for the Horde, even if the Kaldorei didn’t get to cause it.
