I agree. Going from Sylvanas to no one to Calia in the span of a patch sounds like terrible writing.
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Probably but if there is nothing in game players who donât read the books or the forums will wonder who she is and why she is the leader.
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We talk about her being a Leader mainly from meta perspective. In game there isnât much to even consider that option. We donât talk about Derek or Delaryn as possible leaders.
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There is stuff in game. I agree theyâd need to redo it, but if you play through the Silverpine story, Sylvanas talks about the previous King. Then she talks about Arthas.
Pretty sure the King Terenas plaque is still there that says âHere lies King Terenas MenethilâŠâ.
So youâd see the have the same last name. Not the best I know, but hints are there.
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she is older than arthas , so there was time where she was the heir not to mention that you honestly have no proof what her education was, cause its never talked about.
No I dont mean that she is a culmination of forsaken development. A very inaccurate interpretation of what I posted and completely ignores the established forsaken characters I mentioned. Those characters are the culmination of forsaken development. They they experienced the scourge, they were there to rebuild, they helped helped establish newer generations of forsaken and (this may not be a positive, but people pass on bad habits irl) passed on the identities and culture of what it means to be forsaken. I see much of if not all the questing that was added in cata continuing the forsaken PC experience.
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Name has it pros but has its cons also. Ressoning that Galia is the leader mainly because Forshakens are loyal to the Menethil line has some obvious flows.
Someone didnt play cata
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I think itâs more of âHey Sylvanas is gone, now whatâ?
Then someone reminds them they used to follow the menethil since they were good people besides Arthas. Now here is calia.
Not the best solution.
Buts itâs a familiar name.
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Literally am responding to you saying that is simply not how the Player Character Forsaken nor the Forsaken in general have been written since Cata.
People keep trying to gesture to Vanilla-WOTLK years for âTrue Forsaken Loreâ, but itâs been 10 years since weâve been moving away from that.
Why not just put another Windrunner in charge? Itâd make about as much sense.
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Okay but consider that the Menethil âbrandâ is pretty unpalatable, combine that with Alliance association which is also the case, and the light which is metaphysically opposed to undead and put that in one package. Please stop sending good story after bad, so to speak, is what I would say to the developers and give Calia the Medâan treatment. Let her rejection be the interesting touchstone for a future development, that she represents all these opposed things and that she could never be accepted because of them.
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The Forsaken were alliance associated when they first came out, they could speak to humans in beta Iâm pretty sure.
Even in lore they can talk to humans since theyâreâŠex humans.
Like the entire race is an Ex alliance kingdom. You cant be saying calia is too alliance when you guys fought side by side with the other alliance races not too long ago.
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And a lot of things have happened since then, you know, the entire story of WoW to date? Iâm having a hard time seeing this as anything other than a bad faith argument.
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Why are The Forsaken referred to as The Forsaken?
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Yes, until Arthas was born two years later, Calia was the heir. When he was born, attention was turned to him the moment he was old enough to begin his education.
Then you shouldnât have mentioned it. But since you did, Iâll add a bit to what I wrote earlier.
If Lordaeron is anything like historical kingdoms and many fantasy ones, then Calia was raised for one thing - to be married off by her father for political reasons.
Woman of noble and royal lineage had one primary asset as I said - their womb. Men of such rank wanted sons to carry on their family line. They married most often for convenience so they could get those heirs and for power, too. Alliances were forged by royal families through such marriages.
The women rarely had any say in it. Calia certainly didnât when she was going to be married off to Daval Prestor. They were breeding machines. They did bring dowries which often brought a measure of wealth to the new husband. And, as I said, sometimes power, too, both to the husband and even the father of the bride
Thus, their education was in the form of how to run a household plus how to sew, etc. It would not be statecraft unless they were the heir to royal line. (i.e. Queen Victoria)
In short, Calia most likely - based off history and other works - was nothing more than an asset to her father.
In the years since the fall of Lordaeron, Calia lived in Southshore and in hiding. She became a priest which does not lend itself to learning the art of statecraft.
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DoesnÂŽt mean itÂŽs the only PC experience either too, dude. Both are part and BOTH are important -heck, Cata itself basically dealt with the whole Sylvanas raised people stuff; another thing altogether was players not liking how it was done-.
Closing the eyes and pretending something doesnÂŽt exist doesnÂŽt mean it effectively ceased to exist, period.
Yes, but the Horde didnât trust them. They only got in because the tauren felt bad.
Horde fought the humans and now dead humans want in. No one wanted them on the horde besides the tauren and that was for charity.
Orcs and trolls didnât trust them because they were dead humans from Lordaeron.
The Forsaken of Lordaeron were associated with the alliance when they joined. Saying calia is too alliance like is a bad argument because some of those Forsaken fighting with the horde had killed horde while they were alive.
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This is what makes the Horde vastly more interesting than the Alliance.
But sure letâs water that all down with a character that screams Alliance.
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Nah, because her history leans way closer to Alliance than it does the Horde.
Name 1 thatâs in charge of anything.
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So why not take calia? Sheâs the same as them when they first rose.
A fresh Forsaken freed by Sylvanas is the same as Calia is now no? I donât remember if they retain what they did while scourge.
But when the Forsaken first joined up they hadnât done anything besides recapture Lordaeron from the scourge.
Calia is now recently undead. Sheâs in the same boat as them when they joined right?
The horde accepted dead humans of Lordaeron back then. Whatâs one dead human princess now?