the anti calia people are just people who want to keep the sylvanas forsaken no matter how much it doesnt make sense in the story anymore, its why belmont a war criminal who is basically male sylvanas keeps being thrown around as a good leader.
it has nothing to do with calia’s merits of being a good leader or not but just Light lady bad.
I think the anti-calia people are either pro-alliance, and mad that Calia chose the forsaken over humans OR, they are pro-forsaken and are disgusted by the fact that Calia is a light-zombie that has a potential to desecrate the themes of the forsaken.
No one cares that he is a “war criminal”. The forsaken didn’t join the UN, or have any part of the Geneva conventions. Belmont is being brought up because he is a character other than Calia. That’s pretty much it. I suppose I should also mention that Lillian Voss is also probably a “war criminal” by a lot of people’s standards, as she has us killing off non-hostile ashvane miners, rather than their hostile troops.
I wish it was that simple. But you gotta realize that
-There are legit reasons that she isn’t a political leader.
-She has ZERO “rule of cool” points, right now. Calia’s only crimes are being stupid at Arathi and being BORING. All she has to do, is do something cool, and people will change their mind.
Wrong, we´re complaining cause devs are literally putting here up there as racial leader WITHOUT any amount of development (or proper development for Horde players).
How do I know that? Pre-patch SL scenario, nuff said. When Calia is put right there in the middle of the HORDE leadership and Tyrande rips her a new one thanks to the sins of the Forsaken (ergo, Tyrande ALREADY identifies her as the person responsible for the Forsaken).
I repeat: pre patch scenario, nuff said.
Calia´s presence there is hilariously out of touch unless devs are alredy forcing her down our throats as leader.
Wrong again, getting the racial leadership job in one novel IS going extremely fast. It is still pathetically small development done ina side media most players won´t ever read nor care about.
I´ll never tire of repeating this: if devs wanted to replace Sylvanas with Calia, they should have started putting REGULAR UNDEAD Calia in our path since WoD at the very least. Now that would have made for a smooth change; not the writting abomination it is right now.
Which merits, getting her people killed by proxy of being braindead even while alive? Cause the Forsaken that died on the book died thanks to Calia´s own stupidity.
K, you got me. Not absolutely all the characters I mentioned were OG forsaken. But your sarcastic and unconstructive comment doesn’t address any of the other characters beside Voss or their tremendously more fleshed out histories with the forsaken over calia with her total of 5 min of story over 3 xpacs and a book.
Calia “Golden´s self insert” Menethil getting “forsaken” by the light, and this written by the hand of the woman using her as a vehicle to insert in the narrative?
Now, that was a good joke.
Genuine question, if you have this little hope and this much bitterness regarding the entire narrative, external authors, and internal lore team, why do you keep playing?
If WoW didn’t give me joy and excitement anymore I’d simply walk away.
So much of the Story Forum has this attitude. It’s what leads to those ridiculous “I CAN’T TAKE IT ANYMORE I’M QUITTING THE GAME FOREVER BECAUSE OF THE LORE” posts.
Life’s too short to play a game that makes me the way you and others are acting lmao
Speaking of tyrande,
She was a brand new priestess for one whole book. Then in the next book she became the leader of the sisters of Elune and then after that she kicked out the highborne.
Undead Calia in WoD would not have worked. Calia was a threat to Sylvanas so she wouldn’t have been allowed to be undead. Sylvanas would have done the same thing she did in before the storm.
I imagine with Calia there is going to be lots of telling instead of showing to move the story forward.
In the grand scheme of wow, calia and the Forsaken I don’t think matter too much to blizz, they just want them patched up and to move on.
Calia may be important later on, but how calia became the leader may not be to them.
Literally any named (or nameless - Bannerbae) forsaken character has more credentials to lead the Forsaken than either Calia or Voss.
Actually, they didn’t. The Tauren took pity on them and begged Thrall to let them join.
Incorrect. The Elves Left the Alliance because they thought they could defend themselves alone without the Alliance’s help (and we all see how that turned out.) Even if the Alliance wanted to let them come back after that kind of snub, the Blood Elves were too Arrogant to admit their mistake.
That’s because the Alliance hasn’t rejected or been antagonistic to the Forsaken since Wrath. The Forsaken are the only one’s who have been rejecting the Living and being antagonistic towards them, all because of Sylvanas’ brainwashing them.
Not so. Calia was only a “threat” in before the storm, because of what she was doing, not necessarily because of who she was.
You know, there´s this things called gameplay and irl friends…
We don´t log into the game just to “read” into the lore, dude. That´s just an added benefit (or curse, depending on one´s reading comprehension skills tbqh).
I repeat: most people DO play the game. Some of us are just cursed with both GOOD reading comprehension skills AND actual narrative standards, so we get easily annoyed by the r-tard choices devs have consistently been making since Cata (there are terribad lore choices in TBC and WotLK, but those were more niche in regards to the characters / races impacted; at least it weren´t the whole freaking factions like Cata onwards).
Bad comparison, Tyrande was first and foremost presented as the “current” -at the time in WC3- racial leader of the Nelves. The books only expanded upon what the devs originally sold to the players.
Calia is the opposite; she´s a rebrand of 15+ years of thematic and lore for Horde players.
They left because the Alliance left Quel’thalas to deal with the Amani incursion by themselves.
relevant quote from Chronicle,
“While the Alliance was besieging Blackrock Spire, King Anasterian led efforts to drive the Amani trolls from Quel’thalas. The battles were costly, but the elves managed to secure their homeland. In the years to come, Anasterian would withdraw from the Alliance, accusing it of abandoning the high elves in their most desperate hour. Not all high elves believed that, but enough did.”
Because I genuinely believe she’s enjoying being made this miserable.
It’s the only rationale I can think of to explain her take on this story.
Because the Alliance was being besieged in their own lands, and Anasterian initially agreed to aid them, but withdrew his support and thus driving that wedge between the Elves and the Alliance.
The Alliance did not abandon the Elves. They Abandoned the Alliance. And paid the price for their Arrogance.
I feel like you didn’t read the Quote,
Bolded for Emphasis,
Anasterian didn’t leave the Alliance until years after the Second War ended.
You can quote, but can’t read yourself.
Right… Because that’s where the Orcs were launching their attacks FROM.
The Alliance was in the middle of a war for their lands, during an final assault on the horde’s stronghold.
Anasterian left them to fend for themselves, then blamed the Alliance for not dropping the fight they were in to go help Quel’thalas. And then Blamed the Alliance for not helping against the Scourge.
Oh boy, another quote to prove you wrong; I barely have to do anything.
From ‘Ashes of Quel’Thalas’
“King Anasterian called on his greatest generals to stop the Horde’s advance. Elf magi and rangers spread across Quel’Thalas to resist Orgrim’s forces, but they did not have to fight alone for long. Turalyon and Alleria soon arrived with half of the Alliance army.”
This army would leave in order to try and relieve the siege of Capital City and then from there, chase the retreating Horde all the way to Blackrock Spire; while the allies they had come to aid continued to fight a costly war without support.
Even better, Anasterian actually pledged the full military of Quel’thalas to fight the Horde when Turalyon brought that army; and was still left to fight alone for the rest of the war.
Still waiting on that quote you said proves me wrong.
The one you provided showed that the Alliance fully supported the Elves up until the End of the War. But that wasn’t good enough for Anasterian, who still blamed the Alliance for losing a few trees. As soon as the horde turned from Quel’thalas and started to attack Lorderon, Anasterian all but washed his hands of the Alliance, thinking they had no value to him.
They left as soon as Orgrim’s orc army left, and never went back. The Alliance essentially fought one battle to help Quel’thalas and then pissed off never to return. Oh boy if that’s what you consider ‘full support’ then Quel’thalas gave full support to Lordaeron in the Third War with the two priest units.
Gods, you are bending over backwards to try and stave off mud from the Alliance.
Oh piss off, I’ve already stated that he was fighting the Amani the entire time.