Because the Horde literally started to assault the Alliance’s Capital. You’re worse then Anasterian if you think the Alliance should of just abandoned their own lands to help the Elves fight their blood feud.
Literally HALF of their entire army. That’s what the Alliance Sent to help defend Quel’thalas. It took actual physical proof that the Amani were allied with the horde for him to even admit that the Horde was even at their borders…
And you’re trying to twist lore to justify Anasterian’s Folly.
“When the Horde invasion had been routed and the orcs had abandoned the battle in favor of besieging Lordaeron, Anasterian seized the opportunity to rid himself of the beleaguered Amani forever.”
Sounds like he wasn’t exactly on the losing end of that war until he took the opportunity to press the advantage the Alliance GAVE HIM and took the offensive against the Amani.
Pray tell, why did anasterian initially agreed with aiding the humans against the Horde?
Actually the Alliance paid the price for the arrogance; after all it was Terenas lack of foresight the thing that made possible the massive scourging of Lordaeron. Elves got a deserved beating that humbled them down inmensely (but not because of “muh betrayal of muh Human and muh Alliance”, but merely because them High Elves were indeed VERY arrogant and conceited people; Arthas was a wake up call totally irrelevant in regards to staying loyal to Terenas et al. They would had been gotten pun´ked by Arthas regardless of being part of the Alliance or not, period.
So much wrong in these…
Anasterian didn´t even want to participate in the whole issue, he basically did it once he realized the Amani were getting help from the Horde. He literally considered the people he “owned to” extinct and the debt irrelevant.
He literally took the best excuse to do what he wanted from the start: to finally cease interactions with the pesky humans and to stop wasting resources in keeping in check criminals he didn´t care about.
He was kinda dead after the whole zombie apocalypse of Quel´thalas, so it would had been kinda hard for him to “blame the Alliance” for anything related to the Third War. Now, Kael´thas and Rommath DID put blame in Dalaran and the Alliance (who acted like a-holes towards the Belves in TFT), and with good reason.
Hit the nail on the head. I think this is it exactly. With a blend that I think a good portion of the outrage is also a rebelling against Blizzard’s story direction, because its tricky finding the specific themes that she has the potential to desecrate in my experience.
Honestly, given how people are giving really reductive takes on her backstory, I doubt anything cool would change many minds. Not that I’m opposed to Calia demonstrating the “Good is not nice” trope and getting a proper cool moment. I expect that given the foreshadowing of Alliance troubles on the sea, she might get that chance in the upcoming book.
I’d rather that Forsaken representation and thus their effect and presence in the lore not gutted cause people think the probable leader candidate is as bad as Med’an for a bunch of traits that they’ve hardly took issue with in the Forsaken before, thanks.
Saying “this character shouldn’t exist” isn’t feedback.
You should be trying to improve the character. Not just telling Blizzard to delete it. Blizzard already decided they’re going with the character. The model is made. She’s in a book coming out in a few days and she’s in the alpha.
Blizzard isn’t going to go to the story forums and see a few people are upset about the character not being “horde enough” and then “Well guys, guess we need to delete Calia.”
WHy not post constructive criticism. You have been Gantrithor. You’ve at least shown that you want character development from Calia, which most people want.
There are others who flat out refuse her, which is a losing battle because the likelihood of Blizzard flat out deleting the character is very slim. They’re just setting themselves up for disappointment if they think Calia is getting deleted.
Like I’m just being pragmatic about the situation. I mean we can look at the whole Saurfang scenario where players took off their shoulder pads for Saurfang.
That resinated with Blizzard. They said as much. They said it allowed them to change the story a bit, but the overall theme didn’t change.
People in this thread and other threads are suggesting too broad of changes.
Say they delete Calia Menethil right now because she’s not Horde enough. What if down the line they had a Light vs Void expansion and Calia was to play a role in it? Well now with no Calia, that messing up future storylines.
So this crusade some posters are on about deleting Calia because she doesn’t fit the mold of a Horde character isn’t going to get anywhere, most likely. Why not advocate for changing the character instead of full on “No”.
Blizzard makes lots of decisions and many of those are unpopular.
And people dislike this.
They aren’t looking at the story forum at all. They did however create a loyalist quest option for people who were disappointed with how they treated Saurfang. Was that a product of the forums? No clue. Doesn’t hurt to try.
Why post any suggestions if Blizzard’s isn’t looking at the forums?
I realize some of my responses have been…curt, but that’s only because of how jaded I am with the story at this point.
Maybe.
A bit melodramatic don’t you think? It’s not like they’re taking too Blizzard HQ with pitchforks and torches.
Deleting her or moving her back to the Alliance is a change. It’s just on the extreme end of the argument.
If you don’t like the story, why still bother being invested in the story?
I’ve stopped reading book series because of how novels go. I’ve stopped watching TV series because I lose interest in how the story is going.
I keep seeing people complain about the direction of the story. Yet, they’re still here despite the direction of the story. So if you’re still here, Blizzard has no incentive to change their storytelling methods because regardless if they are good or bad, people will still be here.
That is what I am not understanding. The people complaining about Calia are still going to be questing with her in Shadowlands so Blizzard has no incentive to delete her.
I have not seen anyone in these Calia threads refuse to outright quit the game because of her. And if you will endure Calia’s existence, they have no reason to change her.
I’ll give an example. Moira Bronzebeard. Her story upset me because I wanted to see her go on an rule Ironforged, not this three hammers crap they have. I didn’t like that. Did I complain about it endlessly and tell Blizzard to delete it? No I waited to see how the story played out and saw Blizzard took their time to expand Moira’s story out a little further with the Dark Irons.
The universe of Warcraft is great, how it’s being handled by the current writing team is what bothers me.
I still play Classic and hope that Blizzard brings out Classic expansions through Wrath.
I’m enjoying Classic with my spouse and lots of friends. I’m here in spite of how the story is being told.
Maybe. I can only speak for myself but I’ve no interest in playing Shadowlands. I’ll stick to Classic but I’ll be following the story since I’m around anyway.
This is silly. If everyone quit because of something Blizzard did that they didn’t like no one would be playing and the Warcraft universe would die. Just because there is an aspect of the game or story that bothers someone didnt mean they should throw away everything because of it. That’s as silly as those people who said they’d leave the U.S. if a certain person was elected President.
In a hypothetical light/void expansion, I don’t see how Calia would still be required when we already have the blood elves with their holy-fueled Sunwell as an in. And that’s assuming Blizzard would bother anyway. There are already complaints that it feels like shamans aren’t being tied to the plot of the Shadowlands so it’s not like this would be the first time sensible connections were left out.
If you’re still going to be here regardless of Calia’s existence in the game, Blizzard has no reason to delete her character or change their storyline drastically, right?
People can say “delete her” or “she’s not horde” all they want. But the changes of Blizzard removing her from Horde after she’s in a novel and the alpha being with the Horde are very slim.
They have a storyline set up for her. People don’t need to like it. But feedback that are as broad as deleting the character or not having the storyline at all aren’t going to realistically be implemented.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that I am a nameless passenger on Blizzard’s train and I have no say in the direction of the train. Some person who works at Blizzard may stumble upon my post and agree with what I say, or they may not.
But I try to be realistic with what I want within the game. Like I know Calia is happening. So instead of saying no, I’m posting what I want Calia to be. Because if she’s happening maybe my feedback can influence how she is.
Headcanon which doesn’t change anything.
Darfs are ruled by the 3 hamers not the 3 Npcs carying the hamers. All these years Moira and the rest are learning hamerish which is a very difficult language. That’s the reason Darfs don’t have any interesting story lately.
Well if we go off of Moira, Calia Menethil is going to be relevant for a little bit and then forgotten while they move onto something else.
Honestly she may just turn out to be like an allied race leader. Besides Thal and Lor’themar’s little romance, has Thalyssra really had her lore developed? What about the other leaders?
So yes I can see the relevance of folks saying Blizzard doesn’t have a good track record of developing characters. But maybe we’ll get a nice story out of it. Who knows?
