Hmmm. Yes. Interesting. Yup, female soldiers. They’re a thing here on earth.
That’s somewhat troubling. I can see why you might think as much, however, when you’re arguing in bad faith for a character that is stridently and openly antagonistic to the established fans of the faction said character would be joining, let alone leading. The erasure of unique story threads and careless destruction of community investment will negatively impact everyone, even people who think they’re profiting in other’s misfortune, in the long run.
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The high elves were allies with humans for 2000 years before the first war.
You’re telling 2000 years doesn’t make them an alliance leaning race?
If we’re going by your standards, calia can join then if she feels like she’s not apart of the alliance. which she says during before the storm.
Calia is less alliance leaning than the high elves… Because she didn’t have a 2000+ year alliance with humans.
The Alliance hasn’t rejected or been antagonistic to Calia. Tyrande aside, but that is, all things considered, a given.
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And those same humans turned their backs on the Blood Elves after the scourge invasion.
yeah name all the female soliders that fought in the middle ages, theres sooo many of them right, whole armies
Azeroth isn’t the middle ages.
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Your race the blood elves [/quote]
I´m an irl Human from plated Earth, Solar System, Milkyway Galaxy.
Not “my race”, Mrs.
Which basically amounted to the elves looking down on the Humans -to the point a half elf is considered an abomination in the eyes of most of those elves- and them trying and succeeding in breaking from their supposed allies ASAP (literally, the only reason Anasterian did anything in WC2 was because the Orcs messed up with Quel´thalas too. He considered his obligation null cause the lineage he owned to was practically extinct).
Which again, was basically the same relationship I have with my irl 4th grade cousins A.K.A. none relevant whatsoever.
U-hu, she´s only diametrally opposite in themes and development -specially thanks to BtS-, but that´s “minor”.
Also, how are things nowadays between Elves / Forsaken and Humans, hmm?
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good you realized my point now it isnt the middle ages, so you cant point to how woman are treated on earth during the middle ages, to smugly discredit what calia’s upbringing is
How am I arguing in bad faith?
I want the character. I’m arguing for the inclusion of the character because I’ve viewed Forsaken the same as I did back when I started the game in 2006.
They were citizens of Lordaeron who got a bad hand.
It’s in bad faith I want the princess of Lordaeron to come back and have a role in the Forsaken?
You’re making it out to be that every forsaken fan doesn’t want calia. That’s a bad faith assumption. There are forsaken fans who want calia.
I like forsaken. I have forsaken characters. I write fan fiction for forsaken. Am I not a fan?
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So you know EXACTLY what Calia’s upbringing was?
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She’s in the Arthas novel. It’s the same as every fantasy princess who is a political pawn.
She was taught nothing and expected to marry.
Why I might think that someone who argued an actual Warchief of the Horde “Is more Alliance than Horde” is arguing in bad faith, the world will never know.
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Well that is being purposely ignorant. The Forsaken of BfA are not the Forsaken of Classic when Sylvanas first awoken them. Reminder, the Forsaken tried to join the Alliance first, but were swiftly rejected and hunted. It was only after asking the Horde for help that they officially joined. And now you want the Forsaken to still be loyal to the Alliance that has, for over a decade now, wanted them dead just because they were Cursed? And to accept the sister to the person who Cursed them in the first place?
Okay bud.
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Does it happen to include anything that says she was being groomed as heir-apparent before the scourge invasion?
If we’re going by the Scourge metric, Calia is only scant few degrees removed from the Forsaken.
Her life was turned upside down almost as much any Forsaken citizen from the Third War. Family dead or turned, kingdom in pieces, any and all family friends hunted down, and ravenous throngs of undead creatures on the prowl to hunt you down. Then that happened to her a second time, causing her to lose track of her remaining living family.
Hell, as a fun fact, Calia technically has a higher Scourge metric reading than a fair number of Forsaken recruited since Cataclysm.
By the way, thinking about it now, is it really fair to argue against her being a Lightforged undead? Like, its not like they had a necromancer on hand at the Priest hall to do it the old fashioned way.
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Then let her join, but why make her leader right now?
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If you go by the timeline for all of Warcraft. The high elves have spent more time allied to the humans than the orcs and trolls.
Sylvanas defended her city against the orcs and trolls.
You are gating keeping calia because she’s too alliance. I said that your other races have been allied to the alliance for 2000+ years.
So saying calia is too alliance is poor argument. Because apparently if a 2000 year old alliance isn’t enough to stop the high elves from going horde, calia who is like forty can easily go horde.
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She isn’t a leader “right now”.
High Elves, yes. Blood Elves, no.