The entire ‘spirit’ of classic/vanilla was social interactions, server culture, and community.
CRZ/BGs is what of the biggest cancers towards making retail as bad as it is today. No emotional investment, no pride, no sense of accomplishment. The only way to incentivize players is through overtly giving them “stuff” ie. EZ epics.
Of course, epics are the main reasons why people pvp, but to beat other players you know in the wow game world are other incentives that might lure players who arent on the R14 grind to actually do it. Essentially, bragging rights exists because of this server community. Fighting established known players or rivals. Etc.
Another thing is that it makes a terrible honor system even worse. The grind to R14 was basically a bell curve system. So now with more games popping, the requirement for honor is now going to be higher. And that’s already on a unhealthy system. So the people who might want to play some games won’t even make it a decent rank because the competition is even more cut throat. Good bye casual PvP.
One final thing is that it also incentivizes factions to even out. Right now, Horde populates most servers. Queues are what ‘self-corrects’ this large imbalance.
SAY NO TO CROSS REALM BGS!
Also, give us 1.5-1.8 AV. There’s a literally a topic with 2k posts on it right now. If retail can get old AV, why doesnt classic?
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A queue won’t fix the faction imbalance on my server. No cross realm bgs and I quit. I’m not waiting for more than 50 horde to be on my server.
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You’re getting xrealm bgs and there’s really nothing you can do about it
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You really don’t understand cross realm do you? It gets annoying listening to people that think they know it all. Without cross realm, you will wait forever to get into BG’s. Cross realm opened up a lot of things and lowered queues. Let history repeat itself. If you want change, I will still spew the idea of GroupFinder.
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Of course I understand. It’s better for the longevity of the game right now that it not be Xrealm. when classic starts stagnating, then it would be more appropriate then, just like when it was introduced in late vanilla. Now? Makes no sense; the game is still alive and growing, especially with the fact that servers are much more dense.
Also, do you know what people did when they waited for BGs? they just did other things ie. farm, fish etc.
As far as knowing it all, I’ve literally played it. We know what happened then.
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Why doesn’t blizzard just offer both?
CRBG’s or Same Realm only? Let people choose at queue time.
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Imagine not even having the deductive cognitive skills to figure out that without cross realm bg’s anything below 60 would never pop and max level bg’s would have 2 hour plus queue times unless at peak times in the evening on only the full servers that have wait times to login to.
Blizz could offer an option for both however, so people like the OP could click the same server option and eventually give up and then click the other one. This would probably be the easiest way to convince people they aren’t thinking about all the factors.
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Sure, but then the people playing on their own servers are put on a different bracket for calculating rank points?
See, if you want to actually pvp for a decent rank you actually want LESS games popping up. Talk about no critical thinking skills
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I don’t have any interest in the vanilla rank system, it was removed and never brought back. And I started mid burning crusade. I just want queues to pop in the lower pvp brackets all day so I’ll have something to do in the game until the later expansions come out, then I’ll do max level PvP content. Level 60 end game is mostly for raiding, it’s built around PvE with some PvP rewards but that was just a new thing for blizz back then.
So you’ve never actually played classic and to actually witness how PVP was killed once CRBGs was released? Because that is exactly what happened almost overnight.
So maybe it’s you hasnt factored everything lol.
Also, BGs popped all the time even without twinks. That’s because BGs actually gave EXP too, and it’s a good break from questing. It only started getting hostile to lower lvls once twinks entered the scene
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uhh exp wasn’t added until like wotlk, mid expansion I believe, after people complained about being pwned in bg’s on their grey using alts, about the time boa gear was added. We still got around the system though by using throw away twinks, not bis geared fully but using green items, still enchanted.
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You got EXP for turning it marks. the amount was about a quest’s worth of exp. Not very efficient, but also not abysmal either. I leveled past X9 for every bracket from this.
But back on topic. It’s about quantity vs quality of the pvp. The problem is that you’re not even rewarded for the quantity just because of how the system is. So essentially you’re just asking for a harder grind. If you’re not into that, then you’;re asking for less impactful games. Essentially, just retail (edit: which already exists btw)
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No cross realm BGs means hours of que times for horde. Sounds super fun…
Even with cross realm it will be horrible.
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But that’s not a bad thing.
It encourages balanced factions.
And it doesnt even detrimentally affect rankings either.
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This is entirely untrue. It was hour long ques back when the realm pop cap was around 3k. Now that it’s more likely 20k …it wouldn’t be an issue at all to not have cross battlegrounds.
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I mainly agree just because Stalagg is so awfully imbalanced. Probably in the top 3 most imbalanced US servers? Blizzard needs to do something about it.
The great thing is that it’s Horde is that dominant faction, and PvP is what they want. In classic, Alliance outnumbered Horde, and the high BG queue didnt help as much since Alliance didnt really pvp as much as they PVE’d.
But since Horde interests are PvP, the high BG queue will actually make them want to change factions, or go onto a server that’s more balanced.
All CRBGs does is to encourage the imbalance by giviing the Horde the best of both worlds so to speak
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Most of WoW’s BG history have existed without xrealm BGs for a very long time. Only 1.12 did they add xrealm.
It seems weird they wouldn’t hold onto it until phase 5 or 6 to reflect the late release of it. Seems to go against the idea of the Vanilla experience #nochanges was trying to employ.
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Vanilla didn’t have XP in BGs. That came much later to prevent twinking. Your credibility is getting lower and lower.
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I am also for non cross realm BGs. despite it officially being in the 1.12 patch, I feel it is more contingent with classic if it were home server only BGs. it would also showcase the faction imbalance without having to change the game in a negative way.