LOL, at a minimum graphic upgrades should be included, or a option for those who still want a potato graphics world.
I still play NES and Atari games, even those I never played in my childhood, and have no issue with it.
11/05/2018 10:50 AMPosted by
Elaice
I still play NES and Atari games, even those I never played in my childhood, and have no issue with it.
Big difference is those aren't just objectively worse graphics. They're effectively an entirely different medium relative to modern game graphics. Vanilla WoW graphics aren't pixel art. They're the same graphics we have today except much worse.
11/05/2018 10:50 AMPosted by
Elaice
I still play NES and Atari games, even those I never played in my childhood, and have no issue with it.
Big difference is those aren't just objectively worse graphics. They're effectively an entirely different medium relative to modern game graphics. Vanilla WoW graphics aren't pixel art. They're the same graphics we have today except much worse.
People keep trotting out this talking point about Vanilla graphics,
and it's wrong every time. Vanilla is beautiful at modern resolutions on modern hardware (link is a classic pserver album at 1440p): https://imgur.com/a/TwRTvt4
The original vanilla zones at 1440p are practically identical to those zones in the modern game. The only differences remaining are water textures and view distances (which the view distance can be cheesed even on classic private servers to be extremely large).
11/05/2018 11:21 AMPosted by
Fyedora
People keep trotting out this talking point about Vanilla graphics, and it's wrong every time. Vanilla is beautiful at modern resolutions on modern hardware (link is a classic pserver album at 1440p): https://imgur.com/a/TwRTvt4
The original vanilla zones at 1440p are practically identical to those zones in the modern game. The only differences remaining are water textures and view distances (which the view distance can be cheesed even on classic private servers to be extremely large).
The extreme irony of using that old, ugly dwarf model as the star of your slideshow.
LOL, at a minimum graphic upgrades should be included, or a option for those who still want a potato graphics world.
Blizzard can make all the changes they want as long as the spirit of classic is maintained, I will be playing.
Sharding is probably a bridge too far.
All Blizzard has to do is not outsmart themselves on this. Release 1.12 as it was in 1.12. That's all. Nothing more, nothing else. Enjoy another 1-2 million subscribers.
11/05/2018 11:21 AMPosted by
Fyedora
People keep trotting out this talking point about Vanilla graphics, and it's wrong every time. Vanilla is beautiful at modern resolutions on modern hardware (link is a classic pserver album at 1440p): https://imgur.com/a/TwRTvt4
The original vanilla zones at 1440p are practically identical to those zones in the modern game. The only differences remaining are water textures and view distances (which the view distance can be cheesed even on classic private servers to be extremely large).
The extreme irony of using that old, ugly dwarf model as the star of your slideshow.
I like the old models more than the new Pixar-ish models. They are different styles for different tastes.
Other than that, I guess you have no substantive comment to make?
OMG the butt hurt over this crap is sooo fun to watch.
1 Like
We're not purists, you're tampering with classic wow by adding elements that simply *did not exist back in classic*. It's not that hard to understand, is it?
The people who petitioned for classic in the first place want as authentic of a game experience as possible, a lot of pro changers probably didn't start playing until after wrath and have no real stake in classic like the people who have wanted this for years.
The people who petitioned for classic for all these years are going to get shafted by the whiny pro changers who for some weird reason feel the need to tamper with classic wow when it is fine the way it was and is what people want.
11/05/2018 11:45 AMPosted by
Fyedora
I like the old models more than the new Pixar-ish models. They are different styles for different tastes.
The old models aren't a "style". They're just ugly from a time when Blizzard was physically incapable of doing better despite undoubtedly wanting to.
11/05/2018 11:45 AMPosted by
Fyedora
I like the old models more than the new Pixar-ish models. They are different styles for different tastes.
The old models aren't a "style". They're just ugly from a time when Blizzard was physically incapable of doing better despite undoubtedly wanting to.
Hey man, here's a thought, if you like the current models so much, go play retail.
a lot of pro changers probably didn't start playing until after wrath and have no real stake in classic like the people who have wanted this for years.
I played in the Vanilla beta and throughout the entire expansion. Anything (specifically aesthetics like updated character models and transmog) that can be added to vanilla without taking away from or impeding the positive aspects of the expansion should be. Those positive aspects being the amalgamation of features which encouraged organic communities to come together and blossom. If it doesn't touch those, it should be fair game for implementation. Why wouldn't I want to play a strictly better version of vanilla if at all possible?
Hey man, here's a thought, if you like the current models so much, go play retail.
Because graphics alone don't make a game great? Vanilla was successful because it created an environment which allowed and encouraged communities to develop organically in response to the world we were playing in and the goals we wanted to achieve in that world. That's specifically what people want to experience again when they clamor for a vanilla experience: a world that felt alive and interconnected with a community that mattered. The aesthetics, though, had nothing to do with that success. The style contributed, yes, but the level of execution on that style had nothing to do with it. Why wouldn't I want to play a version of vanilla that has everything which made the expansion great but with modifications which are strict improvements, especially aesthetically?
To you.
Objectively.
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2014/october/DwarfMaleModel.jpg
There's no arguing that the new dwarf model is not simply superior to the old dwarf model. They're cut from the same cloth of aesthetic sensibility, except one is executed on in a vastly improved manner. It's not apples to oranges where you can say you just prefer one style over another.
They're the same style. They're both apples. One is just shiny and crisp while the other is bruised and misshapen. To say you prefer the older model is to literally say you prefer an inferior product.
11/04/2018 11:40 PMPosted by
Holylr
They already said there won't be LFG and LFR. Did you even listen to the Blizzcon?
Can we not make new topics about the ones that have already been discussed by Blizzard? People are being rude against Blizzard for no reason. Even sharding is not favored by Blizzard, they just used it for the Demo.
People are being rude to Blizzard? A you for serious? Do You Not Have Phone? You Think You Do, But You Don't.
But you are right, there is no Blizzard left to be rude to, we are just being rude BACK to Activision.
1 Like
This toon as my first toon in wow may 29th 2005 11pm (started out as undead) I agree and can't wait for classic to come out and experience it all over again. It will be a great way for the cata people to see where it all began. It was hard, nothing was givin to you. You had to actually look for a party and wait for a group to pick you. Wailing Cavers took long as hell lol. When you saw someone in tier 3 gear YOU RELALLY DIDNT F WITH THEM (same goes for top pvp gear guys).
As for the graphic debate no, just no this is classic to get a FULL classic experience you have to deal with the old models. That’s just how I as a vanilla vet remember it.
api wise... meh as long as it runs smoothly i don't care. Keep add-on’s out. Back when you actually had to read the quest and figure it out on your own. Bunch of babies that whine “i want to be hand held and shown where to go" lol read the quest look at the map and figure it out. Use those things called a brain.
And sharding? That’s just for launch to anticipate the HUGE INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING BACK. They probably know that a large majority of players that left after BC came out will come back to try. They will remove the sharding after a couple of weeks when the server pop fans' out. And to link the server cap in to this. Start with 2500 and gauge it from there. I dont see how changing the server cap would ruin the original game play of the vanilla experience. i hated waiting 4 hours for an av group. As well as waiting 8 for a full 40 man raid group to come together lol. Upping the server cap after launch (like months and months after) i would think would be great. Means faster groups and BG’s. BUT I understand that waiting that long was part of the experience. So it’s a tough one.
Can’t wait to go home, vanilla was life. Love d the challenge it came with. Everything you had you earned. Nothing was just givin to you for logging in. And the first thing i am going to do is sit my butt on top the AH in org. See you guys in game.
There are in fact several things I would like to see retained in Classic WoW. These include (but are not limited to):
Account-wide mounts
No kindling required to build a fire
1-time mining (instead of mining a node several times)
I have been playing WoW since Vanilla and have seen "good" and "bad" changes. Had someone thought of them in 2005 instead of 2015, for example, I believe many of the "good" changes would have been implemented then and be a part of what is now considered "Classic" WoW.