We just need a giant lexicon detailing EVERYTHING in the Warcraft universe, starting from the birth of the titans up until now. Don't parse it out into three Chronicles. Don't retcon it later. Have a team of lore buffs there to call out inconsistencies, I'm sure you could get Nobbel, RedShirtGuy, and the Lost Codex on that.
Just clean this sh!t up for good.
nelfs are mutated trolls dude get over it
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10/28/2018 10:23 PMPosted by JawahQuote taken from an official battle.net page for WC3.
http://classic.battle.net/war3/races.shtmlThe reclusive Night Elves were the first race to awaken in the World of Warcraft. These shadowy, immortal beings were the first to study magic and let it loose throughout the world nearly ten thousand years before Warcraft I. The Night Elves' reckless use of magic drew the Burning Legion into the world and led to a catastrophic war between the two titanic races. The Night Elves barely managed to banish the Legion from the world, but their wondrous homeland was shattered and drowned by the sea. Ever since, the Night Elves refused to use magic for fear that the dreaded Legion would return. The Night Elves closed themselves off from the rest of the world and remained hidden atop their holy mountain of Hyjal for many thousands of years. As a race, Night Elves are typically honorable and just, but they are very distrusting of the 'lesser races' of the world. They are nocturnal by nature and their shadowy powers often elicit the same distrust that they have for their mortal neighbors.
So if Night Elves were the first race to awaken in WoW, doesn't that mean that they are an older race than Trolls?
"Awaken" in these terms doesn't have the same meaning that Tolkien used in the Silmarillion as opposed to "awakening to the potential of magic," specifically, arcane magic. The Night Elves are the first to study arcane magic as it was brought to Azeroth by the Well of Eternity, and they were the first to play around with it.
And sometimes chroniclers are flat out wrong. Don't assume everything your character reads is true, even if the author thought so.
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Night Elves are described as the "elevated forms" of trolls, and experience a vast increase in intelligence. So, while trolls are the older race, and elves are decedents of trolls, Elves are the intellectually superior form of Trolls.
10/29/2018 02:43 PMPosted by AkiyassNight Elves are described as the "elevated forms" of trolls, and experience a vast increase in intelligence. So, while trolls are the older race, and elves are decedents of trolls, Elves are the intellectually superior form of Trolls.
Ok i'll be completely honest...
The elves have never really displayed superior intellect to trolls, in all thier conflicts they relied on supior magical firepower.
More magically gifted i'll agree but they never really seemed smarter. Maybe it's just the fact in WoW everyone acts as an idiot. The only races that seem actually smarter then everyone else are Gnomes and Goblins, maybe dwarves?
Like trolls dont even act like ogres or some orcs in having a dumb brute speech. I guess it might be because they don't wear armor, but neither do night elves (Except the Wardens) and they seem to have the widest selection of practiced magics in the game.
I guess it's more Trolls are more versatile then elves, practicing basically every type of magic, but aren't as strong in a single field as the elves. The Night elves are far better at Druidic magics, but a troll tribe is likely to have a wider range of available magics.
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Intellect is subjective, mon.
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I mean, we can talk about how elves have been depicted, but it states very clearly in Chronicle Vol.1 that the Well of Eternity "Elevated their form, resulting in highly elegant and intelligent beings."
Everything else is an anecdotal argument.
Everything else is an anecdotal argument.
10/29/2018 03:31 PMPosted by AkiyassI mean, we can talk about how elves have been depicted, but it states very clearly in Chronicle Vol.1 that the Well of Eternity "Elevated their form, resulting in highly elegant and intelligent beings."
Everything else is an anecdotal argument.
Hey my argument is elves have yet to be shown to be smarter then trolls in general, hell trolls 100% have a better understanding of alchemy then them, and raise more animals on a wider scale then them.
Elves have been better at a few select magics, and thats it, even tacticly i fail to see them being smarter, considering Tyrande and Vol'jin had the exact same strategem in Mist (Bum rush the enemy) and Vol'jin has the exscuse that he was a Majordomo, not a General.
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That's some nice your you've got there, OP. It would be a shame if something... happened to it.
10/29/2018 03:46 PMPosted by Reallyhappy10/29/2018 03:31 PMPosted by AkiyassI mean, we can talk about how elves have been depicted, but it states very clearly in Chronicle Vol.1 that the Well of Eternity "Elevated their form, resulting in highly elegant and intelligent beings."
Everything else is an anecdotal argument.
Hey my argument is elves have yet to be shown to be smarter then trolls in general, hell trolls 100% have a better understanding of alchemy then them, and raise more animals on a wider scale then them.
Elves have been better at a few select magics, and thats it, even tacticly i fail to see them being smarter, considering Tyrande and Vol'jin had the exact same strategem in Mist (Bum rush the enemy) and Vol'jin has the exscuse that he was a Majordomo, not a General.
Maybe the Dark Trolls the Night Elves evolved form were the idiot cousins of the Troll family. :)
10/29/2018 04:58 PMPosted by Drahliana
Maybe the Dark Trolls the Night Elves evolved form were the idiot cousins of the Troll family. :)
My theory is that the trolls of today are smarter than the trolls that became the night elves and then stopped aging.
Think about it. Night elves have only experienced a few generations since the War of the Ancients, with a large number of people from that time still alive and well. Trolls have experienced nearly a thousand generations in the 15,000 years since the dark trolls found the Well.
In that same time span humans in the real world went from cave paintings to creating World of Warcraft. It's only natural that modern trolls would be far superior to their ancient ancestors, where as night elves really haven't changed at all since that time.
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I'd say that the majority of the members of the playable races have an IQ somewhere between 85 and 115.
68.2% of them, would be my exact estimate.
68.2% of them, would be my exact estimate.
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Far as I remember, the first mention of elves coming from trolls comes from Alterac Valley in Vanilla WoW. WCIII came out 2002, and Drums of War came out 2005, so that lasted 3 years before the new origin was seeded.
Before the night elves existed there was troll. It was from troll that the night elves came.
-Najak Hexxen.
And the night elves, well, they were not 'fond' of the idea, personally.
Staghelm has given the order. All trolls on the field of battle must be exterminated. Their preposterous claims of birthing night elves must be met with force and due prejudice.
-Athramanis
Yeesh. The night elves really suppress their past. Staghelm didn't play.
Sometimes I miss his presence, along with Magatha, Prestor and Varimathras. Those evil characters that stood around in the heart of their capitals.
Before the night elves existed there was troll. It was from troll that the night elves came.
-Najak Hexxen.
And the night elves, well, they were not 'fond' of the idea, personally.
Staghelm has given the order. All trolls on the field of battle must be exterminated. Their preposterous claims of birthing night elves must be met with force and due prejudice.
-Athramanis
Yeesh. The night elves really suppress their past. Staghelm didn't play.
Sometimes I miss his presence, along with Magatha, Prestor and Varimathras. Those evil characters that stood around in the heart of their capitals.
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10/28/2018 10:41 PMPosted by CannibalNo one except Blizzard determines what is lore. If they came out tomorrow and said that all orcs are filled with spaghetti instead of organs, and were serious about it, that's now officially lore, and anything stating otherwise that came before it is now retconned.
Phew...good to know. I've been thinking that for years anyway!
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all land is troll land old god corrupted titan spawn get out
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10/30/2018 04:51 AMPosted by Ximothy
Staghelm has given the order. All trolls on the field of battle must be exterminated. Their preposterous claims of birthing night elves must be met with force and due prejudice.
-Athramanis
Fandral did nothing wrong.
10/30/2018 07:44 AMPosted by Gajarall land is troll land old god corrupted titan spawn get out
It's 2018. You can't just claim ownership of a woman's body, like that.
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10/30/2018 08:42 AMPosted by Galenorn10/30/2018 04:51 AMPosted by Ximothy
Staghelm has given the order. All trolls on the field of battle must be exterminated. Their preposterous claims of birthing night elves must be met with force and due prejudice.
-Athramanis
Fandral did nothing wrong.10/30/2018 07:44 AMPosted by Gajarall land is troll land old god corrupted titan spawn get out
It's 2018. You can't just claim ownership of a woman's body, like that.
I get it. It's funny because Magni uses feminine pronouns for Azeroth.
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10/29/2018 03:46 PMPosted by Reallyhappytrolls 100% have a better understanding of alchemy then them, and raise more animals on a wider scale then them.
Neither of these things are true.
10/29/2018 03:46 PMPosted by ReallyhappyElves have been better at a few select magics, and thats it
Anecdotal.
10/29/2018 06:07 PMPosted by KisinMy theory is that the trolls of today are smarter than the trolls that became the night elves and then stopped aging.
There is no evidence for this at all.
10/30/2018 04:51 AMPosted by XimothyStaghelm didn't play.
Sometimes I miss his presence, along with Magatha, Prestor and Varimathras. Those evil characters that stood around in the heart of their capitals.
The Forsaken didn't bother me as much back in Classic, admittedly partially because of Fandral and the shadey stuff he was up to. Everyone had questionable elements to them back then.
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10/30/2018 12:44 PMPosted by Akiyass10/29/2018 03:46 PMPosted by Reallyhappytrolls 100% have a better understanding of alchemy then them, and raise more animals on a wider scale then them.
Neither of these things are true.10/29/2018 03:46 PMPosted by ReallyhappyElves have been better at a few select magics, and thats it
Anecdotal.10/29/2018 06:07 PMPosted by KisinMy theory is that the trolls of today are smarter than the trolls that became the night elves and then stopped aging.
There is no evidence for this at all.
I mean, there's the fact that all current depictions point toward the trolls being no less intelligent than the night elves.
It's highly likely that the Well of Eternity supercharged the part of their brains responsible for the nth-dimensional math that makes up arcane formulae, while leaving everything else pretty much unchanged. The night elves don't have the spark of genius like gnomes do, they're just naturally sensitive (and addicted) to magic.
Seriously. All elves are addicted to magic. Night Elves just get theirs from the Emerald Dream, which is normalized in their society, but many of their druids do show signs of overexposure.
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