yeah like what happened in wod?
like even saurfang doesnt see that as a excuse lol
But the thing is that by WC3 orcs had already been made pay the price by their actions and only after that everyone joined forces.
This time horde does their evil things and we are expected to skip right to the holding hands part.
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I have to apologize⊠i know better than to respond to certain players by now.
Forums should have a sign reminding us not to feed trolls.
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Yeah did they? Is that why they killed a bunch of nelves? Was that price paid?
So grom dying was good enough for wc3?
They lost more, what the actual heck are you lying about? Nevermind that Lordaeron City is the most important city in the entire setting, and Teldrassil only matters to night elf fans, the Forsaken have always only existed as mindless brainwashed cultist slaves of Sylvanas. They are absolutely nothing without her.
The Forsaken have quite literally lost everything. The only thing the night elves lost was the world stump.
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Mmmm letâs seeâŠ
Protectors of nature nearly wiped out and all their zones blighted and destroyed seems to outweigh mindless evil zombies that only follow a crazy murderous leader that cares only about blighting destroying and ending life as we know it.
which one could possibly be worse?
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this part is headcanon, we dont know the status of those
While I disagree with plenty of the âcrush whole cities in revengeâ idea, I do think that there should be a middle ground between âignore the treaty, kill all of them in kindâ and âwe wonât even bother asking for the Horde do something to prove they wonât go genocide-happy again at the drop of a hatâ. And I think the outrage is because Blizz is leaning hard into that second option.
Personally, while I think thereâs no satisfying solution to the [expletive]storm this plot began with, I think that something needs to be done. Primarily, the story needs to acknowledge and deal with the fact that plenty of other Horde members participated in the Burning.
My ideal scenario for trying to give the Alliance/night elf players closure while avoiding dragging the Horde down again would be:
- The playable Horde pulls out of Darkshore and Ashenvale. They and the player get to do their own quest/story elsewhere on some other topic.
- The night elves, in a -playable- scenario or questline, get to accompany Tyrande in clearing out all the remaining Sylvanas loyalists in those two zones. This would include named NPCs who identify themselves as the primary actors in the Burning and who end up filled with arrows or dragged into the soil.
- If there is to be a morally grey section, Iâd rather limit it to having other Horde NPCs (that were also identified as participating in the Burning) start disappearing at night out of their homes/camps in the Barrens/Durotar/etc and are later discovered dead. Depending on how grey they want the story to be, some of those NPCs could have been expressing regret or remorse before their disappearance, or there could be doubts as to whether some of them were really part of the Burning.
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Every race is nearly wiped out. Population numbers mean nothing. This point is a non argument.
Where did we blight? I legitimately donât remember using the Blight at all during the War of Thorns.
Well, the world stump is, and Darkshore certainly is, but Darkshore certainly was since the year of our lord two thousand and ten.
Night elves have Tyrande, Malfurion, the Druid faction, the World TreeS plural: more than one, all wild gods except for the wild gods that help the Zandalari, Shandris, Maiev, the Wardens, Illidan, the Moonguard, Azsuna, Valsharah, druid-related magical creatures such as treants and wisps, the emerald dream, feralas, Elune (which is being propped up.)
And the Forsaken?
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I donât know man.
Your culture pretty much dies when you lose your homeland alone, what do Night Elves have to look forward to anymore than Forsaken do?
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They have plenty of homelands. And even if they didnât? The Darkspear neva die. Gnomes kept on being gnomes. Worgen are getting their top hats. Draenei continued being Draenei. Orcs kept their culture alive even after becoming slaves. The forsaken didnât stop being duplicitous when Lordaeron fell.
The night elves will be fine.
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But they didnt lose there homeland, if they lost it why are tyrande and shandris going back to kalmindor, why is shandris talking about rebuilding
Sylvanas is gone now. We are your friends. Trust me.
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The thing I hate the most about it is how preachy, overly antagonistic and unwilling most of them are to talk about.
Like nope. Everyone who disagrees with their biased, black and white view of the lore is a monster and they will lash out on them.
Seriously I ve never seen any fans of any other playable race being as toxic and crazy as night elf fanatics
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Sylvanas fans, lashed out pretty hard at the horde who didnt want to be genocidal
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I will admit, that is the one bit of catharsis Iâm getting from the events of 8.2.5. All those Sylvie Loyalists are no longer pretending like they are Horde Loyalists (and twisting themselves into knots trying to show how they are the REAL Horde, and that Sylvie is doing everything she needs to FOR the Horde).
As for the topic at hand. I get the feeling that there are just a few very obnoxious loud voices among the NE playerbase making a scene. The NE playerbase DOES have a justified reason to be upset with how Blizz handled their PC race in this expansion. They just also need to remember that there is an entire half of the playerbase that had ZERO control over this story on the other side of this mess (and most of them do).
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Chief, Iâve seen those âreasonable concernsâ spiral into demands that blizzard delete peopleâs accounts for playing Horde. I donât think maybe you understand just how unhinged the Alliance Victimization Cult is around here, and how weird and creepy it really is.
As for the racism, take that up with Blizzard, theyâre the ones who are trying to turn that Kipling poem into a video game, with all the subtlety of that movie âBright.â
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Thatâs⊠oof man, thatâs just like many layers of wrong and / or questionable.
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Oof ⊠man tell that to the Draenei (both brands); the Orcs (both brands); the Bilgewater (Kezan is gone, its a mining operation now at best); and the Darkspear (the Darkspear Isles are NEVER coming back). Also, Kalimdor (the REAL Kalimdor, the Supercontinent actually named âThe Land of Eternal Starlightâ) is technically the origin of the Kaldorei (and CURRENT Kalimdor is their NEW Home they settled on).
Canât believe Iâm quoting a Marvel Movie, but âAsgard is not a Place, its a Peopleâ. If the worst should happen and the Forsaken and Kaldorei are forced to lose their homes permanently, well ⊠all those other races managed to weather that storm. Either they will too ⊠or theyâre just too weak to do so (should the worst occur).
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What âhorde who didnât want to be gencidalâ?
Sylvanas said âburn itâ, not âBurn the world tree in itâs entirety immediately and ensure there are no civilian survivorsâ.
The âhordeâ just took it that way because thatâs what they wanted to do.
Then Saurfang had the stones to cry about Sylvanas ruining HIS HORDE. HIS undefined âhonorâ that he had never even truly known- and side with the likes of the self-righteous alliance in order to do what? Have âhisâ horde? A horde that stands by with orc âhonorâ lawyers that can justify everything they do because âwell, technically it was âhonorableâ because an Orc said it was cool.â
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A lot of the moreâŠprolificâŠNight Elf fans care more about being victims and having outrage than having their problems actually solved.
Night Elf fans are being given the very thing they demanded for months on end, and they immediately turn around and claim that they donât want it and Blizzard is spitting on them by giving it to them.
You can try to rationalize with them, but it wonât work. Up to you, 
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