When Sylvanas and malfurion fought, she was way weaker than she is now.
You seriously think Gul’dan can’t take malfurion? He is the most powerful mortal warlock, he was able to create a volcano, severe the orcs connection to the elements, and raise the tomb of sargeras from the ocean floor all on his own. Also I’m pretty sure Kil’jaeden taught him the darkest and most powerful universal secrets of fel magic. He’s as knowledgeable of fel magic as malfurion is of nature.
Or a gun to the back of the head, in the case of Godfrey and Sylvanas.
Source?
Gul’dan got one-shot by his weaker, incel brother.
She’s a Raid Boss and Malfurion isn’t even a PVP boss. That’s one comparison there.
Using Blizzard’s toxic decision to not program Malfurion to defend his own wife against Horde raids.
Just when I think you can’t be more of a Blizz Drone.
Malfurion did fight during Horde raids. He goes down however fairly quickly compared to Tyrande since she’s the target for the PVP acheivement and she has several times the hit points and the more potent attacks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vw0pPvhL_U
Skip to exactly 1 minute in. This video is roughly a year old. As it says, right before BfA launched.
Malfurion does nothing. He’s not even able to be attacked by Horde players.
MoP, during SoO, all the build up to his encounter with Garrosh, only to get punked.
WoD, when his shamanistic powers are weakened due to the Draenor Elementals speaking to him in a language he doesn’t understand.
Legion, where he loses his will to fight and gives up the Doomhammer to the Shaman PC.
And now BfA, where it’s questionable if he even is a shaman anymore.
The souls from Teldrassil and the entire fourth war weren’t in the Maw yet. That’s what empowers the jailer and, by proxy, herself.
Can’t really judge “power levels” though since Blizzard will pull anything they need to tell their current story. Gamon could be the single strongest character ever randomly because they decide it would be cool to see.
That aside, I feel like none of this really matters considering this thread is… not about any of this? Feels like something you guys should be talking about in a different thread.
Back in the day you’d have needed 40 people to do what you manage with 10. And for practical game play purposes if you give Malfruion a support role, you’ve got to do something for all of the other racial leaders, Alliance and Horde. And they c hose to keep it simple by removing him as a factor instead.
Wrong. The Council of Three Hammers all fight together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71bTFA62mz4 You can skip to 7:40 to get to the Three Hammers fight and see all three of them fighting. I recommend muting the video cause the uploader’s choice of music is horrid and loud.
Point being the Three Hammers Fight exists and nothing special was done for the others. So again you’re wrong. They could easily just make him a factor and have it be one of the harder leaders (plural) to bring down. Not like anyone used to defend Darnassus anyway.
If you’re gonna shill for Blizzard can you at least make statements that aren’t easily disproved with a 5 second google/youtube search?
To be fair, that was taking a shortcut on Blizzard’s part that was pretty glaring.
On the other hand, if he was targetable and had mechanics for that achievement we just have other nonsense posts like “you think malfurin is strong? LOL i fived man him and tyrand last weekend”.
Illidan showed up after 25 world champions beat Gul’dan to a pulp. I’m pretty sure anyone would lose a fight in that condition.
Gul’dan is the strongest mortal warlock, this puts him in the same league as the strongest mortal druid malfurion. If Gul’dan summons a giant fel reaver like he did at broken shore what’s malfurion going to do, fight it while Gul’dan incinerates him with fel fire?
Further more you can look to Horde Side, thanks to Fae for pointing this out to me on Discord, and see that both Rommath and Halduron have been fighting along side Lor’themar in PvP Raids since Burning Crusade and when he was around Varimathras would defend Sylvanas.
Game mechanics isn’t lore.
So you have no explicit source, just assumptions.
Something we can agree on.
The mere Shade of Xavius was able to incapacitate him.
The machine of death is broken, and players entering the Shadowlands will find the realm of the dead in disarray. In the natural order of things, souls are sorted and sent on to an afterlife realm appropriate to the lives they lived, but now, but over the past few years, all souls who have perished—including the innocents slain at Teldrassil—are being funneled directly into the Maw. The Shadowlands are starving for anima even as the Maw continues to grow from the glut of fresh souls.
Sylvanas has been seemingly perpetrating acts to bring about great amounts of death and destruction. In partnership with the Jailer, they have been working toward a common end for some time.
John Hight also gave this answer in an interview at Blizzcon:
That doesn’t say either of them has grown in power as a result. We can assume the Jailer has. But we are still speculating on the margin of power Sylvanas has post and pre War of Thorns.
And that also has little to do with Thrall, so not sure how it is relevant anyway.
I have no idea what it has to do with Thrall, either.
I was just providing a source for the question of how Sylvanas ended up kneeling in the dirt when facing Malfurion to stomping Bolvar like he was a transmog run.
You brought up the claim that Sylvanas can’t take down malfurion, I showed that she can now.
Also as Drahliana said, a mere shade of xavius incapacitated malfurion, gul’dans terribly potent fel magics could certainly take down malfurion.