Malfurion is practically a God, so… not sure what you are smoking but I might need some.
Go quest in darkshore again, he literally says to go get help because he cant hold darkshore together for long.
Yeah… which he was doing by himself. Thrall, was not trying to hold a landmass together, he was simply aiding the elements in stabilizing a broken rift… It wasn’t his raw power, it was simply him lending his aid to the elements who were doing all the heavy lifting.
Thrall was using his power, in the elements, in the same way Malfurion was using his power in nature. If thralls elemental feats dont count, then neither do Malfurions nature feats, since natures power belongs to it self, not Malfurion.
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That is not what I said… I said it wasn’t his raw power, merely a lending of his power to what was a much bigger problem than he alone could handle.
Whereas Malfurion was holding Darkshore together on his own. Not exactly a great measure of power.
Malfurions power is lent to him by nature. He is not the source of nature.
Not really… Malfurion has a command over nature, Thrall bargains with the Elements.
In Darkshore Malfurion says “standing in the way of nature is heresy, even when natures force is destructive”. From that, we can infer he does not command nature, but rather serves it and borrows its power.
If he does “command” nature by force, then he is little better than a dark shaman or warlock.
A bit of both, actually.
“You understand we will age as these mortals do. Our powers over nature will wane in time.” -Tyrande to Malfurion.
Similarly to the powers given to the Green Dragonflight by the Titans, Druids are given a command over nature explicitly with the intention that they will use it to best serve nature’s needs.
This is the fundamental difference between Shaman and Druids. Druids commune with Wild Gods, usually Cenarius, Ysera, and perhaps even Elune, and they are endowed with powers to fulfill a certain purpose. Those powers, however, take a great degree of patience to master, because it is not so much forcing nature to do something, but tending it and shaping it as you would a garden. This is why Illidan was not seen fit to be a Druid, he was too impatient.
Shamanism is more fickle with power. Its not always a sure thing that a Shaman will have power. Bargains need to be had with the elements, typically, this comes in the form of Spirit. Bargaining with the Elements on Draenor is easier than on Azeroth, as Titan World Souls tend to consume the spirit from the elements, making the elements more combative and unstable. Starved of this spirit, the covet it, which is essentially what Thrall was doing at the Malstrom. Lending his spirit to the Elements, so they could focus on repairing the veil that was damaged by Deathwing.
So… again, these are not comparable displays of power. They are doing vastly different things in vastly different ways. I think a better comparison would be to note that Thrall struggled in both of his fights against Garrosh. Where as Saurfang notes that Malfurion was nature itself. Not calm and peaceful nature, but the raw power that nature holds after thousands of years to outlast and overtake entire civilizations, but condense into one single moment.
It’s not comparable, Malfurion is perhaps the strongest “mortal” on Azeroth, perhaps in all the Great Dark Beyond.
Thrall was taking the place of the aspect of earth, when the aspects repowered the Dragon Soul. He was also the only one who could wield the dragon soul. Apparently not even the other dragon aspects could wield it.
Also, funny you bring up Thrall having trouble with Garrosh, yet Malfurion had trouble with Sylvanas.
Malfurion being the strongest mortal is highly debatable. Gul’dan is in the same league, and would probably win a 1vs1 fight simply because fel would burn nature magic like fuel. Id argue Thrall/Go’el is at least equivalent to Malfurion, when the elements support him, he is the world shaman after all. If you consider Sylvanas a mortal, she has eclipsed Malfurion in power, especially since she brought down the Lich King with little difficulty. If Azshara is still considered a mortal, she also probably outclasses Malfurion, simply because she made Mannoroth the destructor fear her, the same Mannoroth that 1vs1 Cenarius and got a stalemate, the same Cenarius who is Malfurions teacher. This was prior to N’zoth boosting her power considerably.
Malfurion is far and away the most powerful mortal on Azeroth. If you look at the full breadth of what he can do it’s obvious. The difference between him and Thrall is that Thrall is a Horde aligned character so he actually gets to make use of the full breadth of his power.
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When does he not?
Yeaaah… Let’s count Slyvana’s plot armor and Jailer boosting as “eclipsing” Malfurion’s power. In one of the BfA short stories, it was clear that Malfurion was about to break Sylvanas over his knee when Saurfang threw his axe into his back. For some reason, they decided not to have that moment translate into the game, which made it look like Saurfang was trying to killsteal from Sylvanas.
The in game presentation of WoT doesn’t line up with the two short stories in any way other than the end result of Teldrassil burning and innocents dying. The entirety of the meat in the middle is different.
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As best he could, but he was no where near the power of a Dragon Aspect. So this is a none argument.
This isn’t true. He was chosen to be the wieldier, but he wasn’t the only one who could.
First, Sylvanas is empowered by the Jailer. Second, he still mopped the floor with her ever time they crossed paths.
Lawl
That’s a joke.
That is not a title given to him because of his Power, but because he is a difficult soul to corrupt.
Thrall is not that powerful… Sure, he is the most powerful Shaman, but that only take you so far when you are talking about figures that rival the power of Demigods.
Thrall struggles with mortals. Malfurion doesn’t.
Bolvar is an overcooked potato chip, with only one set of the armor, and no Frostmourn. He is no Arthas, and his power is questionable.
I mean, yeah probably. Not sure what this has to do with Thrall, but yeah, Azshara is pretty bamf. Not sure I would call her Mortal though. She is the Light of Lights.
The guy who one-shot Thrall.
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That’s true for a lot of it. But oddly enough, the final fight between Malfurion and Sylvanas do not really contradict each other much practically, though because there is considerable detail about the fight that is missing from both A Good War and Elegy, enough so that it doesn’t really refute the in-game presentation we saw.
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Axe in the back begs to differ.
From the detonation of Nordrassil to Cataclysm, Malfurion’s power has always been borrowed from without.
He totally failed to take out Saurfang in Astrannar by dropping the Inn on him. He does well enough against a Horde Party of PC types. He even breaks a trope by taking out the blonde girl first.
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While also fighting Sylvanas and the Horde army that came with them…
The Axe of Dues Ex Machina is the most powerful weapon in all of Warcraft.
Neither of which changes the fact that few even come close to Malfurion in terms of raw power. I would narrowly put the likes of Tyrande, Maiev, and Velen in the same camp, and perhaps surpassed by Azshara. But I don’t think we really have enough displays of power for Azshara to be sure… We just know she is a #Queen.
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