[News] Shadowlands: A Look at Covenant Class and Signature Abilities *Updated 5/13

If you think people are ok being gimped in content their favorite covenant is not BiS in, you really don’t understand wow players lol. Powerful abilities should not be tied to cosmetic choices unless you have a method to switch between them easily.

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I like how Night Fae DHs get “The Hunt” from HotS

The Venthyr ability is just kind of boring, it reduces cast times of the target and is a DoT.

The Kyrian ability could be interesting to play with, however that will depend on what passives they bake into the class. If they keep the eyebeam/soul shard reduction as a baked in ability, then it could have a lot of potential.

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Please for the love of god do not lock us into covenant ability choices. Let the actives be like a talent that we can freely swap so we’re not locked into any choice when switching between specs and content.

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i think the general covenant movement skills are ok, but the class abilities should not be tied to them.

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These people are acting like picking a “non-meta” covenant will make them useless. I bet you that even mythic raiders will pick the ones they want too. Each one will be great for all the content, and some will be better than others for different bosses.

LOL you’ve never mythic raided before, I can tell. You ALWAYS go with the best set up for mythic raiding and never what you want or like best. That’s a quick way to get sat when someone else is doing 10k more DPS than you.

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But you are not gimped. You are viable.

Picking one covenant over another doesn’t make it to where you can’t complete the content.

how many people do mythic raiding though? why pretend wit your choices that you’re gonna be doing something the vast majority of players don’t do?

Nope, we’ll all pick the strongest ones, because that’s what matters is what makes prog the easiest and least difficult, I’d love to go fae, but if venthyr have a broken active for mistweaver, despite hating it I and 90% of all mythic raiders are going to choose the one that is best in most scenarios, even if it means having to re-grind rep over and over for different tiers if it comes to that.

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I have, many of my Classic guildies raid mythic together on Horde. We are still killing bosses, being “non-meta” doesn’t make it impossible to do the content.

these people are planning out their characters like they’re glads who have mythic raiding on farm when the vast majority of people are lfr heroes who do random bgs for fun. lol

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how many people do mythic raiding though? why pretend wit your choices that you’re gonna be doing something the vast majority of players don’t do?

Better yet, why make a system that punishes any of the playerbase at all? Why not separate the two so people can both choose based on what they like AND not tie it to player power?

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clearly then you are playing with some terrible people and if you don’t like being forced to play a certain way that player should go and find a different raiding team or make their own.

Never said it should be. But some talents are completely useless compared to their alternatives.
For example any talent that gives you a second charge of a spell (Riptide, Conflagrate, Mind Blast) is mandatory for anyone that expects to play the spec at a decent level.

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With the level squish, if you think dps margins are going to be 10k or more. I want what you’re smoking

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With the level squish, if you think dps margins are going to be 10k or more. I want what you’re smoking

Yes, I don’t know them now. Nice bad faith argument as you know I didn’t mean the exact numbers. But its about percentages then. If someone is doing 10% more damage than you because you don’t want to play the optimal way, its a quick way to get sat and not be on a raid team.

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no it isn’t. “Decent” doesn’t mean “top end”.

clearly then you are playing with some terrible people and if you don’t like being forced to play a certain way that player should go and find a different raiding team or make their own.

And clearly you don’t mythic raid.

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I don’t need to mythic raid to have common sense. If your raid team thinks that players must have these certain abilities or otherwise you don’t get to raid then that raid team is wrong and you should find another or make your own.

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A single covenant ability isn’t going to put anyone 10% higher on dps over the next person. Going to put that out there right now. 2 or 3%? Sure I can buy that, but if that’s getting you sat, there’s other issues with your gameplay.

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how many people are actually going to use their covenants mog long term anyway? people have their unicorn mogs they use or their pvp mogs or whatever else. this will be no different than the fact that the vast majority of people don’t use the woolies all the time rn.