Going to be that guy and say is it wrong for a race to be wrong about their faith? I’m sure that the light expansion is going to change the alliance’s beliefs.
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It is when the deities in question are revealed to be actual members of an actual Pantheon of a Cosmic Force with an actual name.
For all the MHP concerns, we don’t actually have some deity the Humans worship.
If they had, if the Humans had some solar-themed Light God, I would expect Blizzard to reconcile An’she, Human Light God, and “Belore”.
I’d be hesitant to call Lo’Gosh a “fake name.” Different cultures give different names to individuals all the time, whether they’re transliterative, symbolic, or honorary. It’s merely what the tauren call him. It’s unlikely Goldrinn just spontaneously emerged from the matter of Azeroth knowing that he would be called ‘Goldrinn.’ It was most likely a given name, just as Lo’Gosh is.
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It’s not Goldrinn’s real name. The NPC has always appeared as Goldrinn. Referred to as Goldrinn even by Hamuul in Hyjal.
Elune being revealed as Elune, rather than, as you suggested, “a cultural name” and not her Real Actual Name as Moon Goddess Of The Pantheon Of Life, completely dismissing Tauren Mu’sha, Troll Lun’al, Kul Tiran Tidemother, and more, is trash.
Depends on how the story is done, but in this case, I feel it’d be a really raw deal for a setting where gods and demigods to actually exist and be acknowledged to turn around and say that one of the less-explored races is just straight up wrong. This is on top of the fact that the story has already explored the orcs’ and trolls’ religion having been manipulated by villains.
But I think you do have a point about the light potentially being up for a round next. In a sense, I am nominally on Thadeus’s side about how it would suck for the light as a concept to get screwed over, both because it’s passe for RPGs and it’s an investment-screw for people who got into that.
Eh, I wouldn’t. If someone started calling my character something other than Sarm because that’s what it means in their language, even though my character’s name is Sarm and those NPCs can see others referring to my character as such, then that person’s just an idiot.
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I’d disagree that it makes the name Lo’Gosh unreal or fake. It means that the name Goldrinn is the most commonly recognized name of address–it is listed as Goldrinn because it is most convenient for the audience to do so.
Just as an example: I have a given name provided by my parents, but I also have a given name provided by a culture foreign to my own. I consider the latter name a valid form of address when I’m communicating with people of that culture. It is not a “fake” name simply because it’s different from the name first given to me. It is merely an alternative. If I consent to be called by that alternative name, it is a name rightly used. Given that Goldrinn has never been illustrated objecting to this alternative name, it may be presumed to be a matter of qui tacet consentire videtur.
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He’s never been addressed as Logosh.
At all.
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Found this on the mmo champion forums
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Ye.
Notice the use of Torghast concept art on the Mueh’zala page.
Notice the lack of any meaningful revelations, just repeating Mueh’zala dialogue from the dungeon we’ve had since launch.
No explanation of what he is, where he comes from, what his titles mean, anything.
No clarification of why Brokers are banned from the Other Side as per multiple quests.
Truly demonstrating Blizzard cares about Horde-side/Troll lore in a serious capacity.
I’m still not entirely sure if that drawing is supposed to be Torghast or the Other Side. The blades and the figure holding a sword and shield make me think Torghast, which makes it seem like an odd choice to stick it on a page about the Other Side.
Either that or Bwonsamdi gave the zone one hell of a makeover, pardon the pun.
Edit: Wait, don’t pardon the pun. I knew what I was doing.
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I get the impression that most of the book is going to be a retelling of 9.0.
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You are correct except anything involving Elune and 1 & 2 degrees away from her (Ysera lore clarifications, Winter Queen page foreshadowing, etc)
It was in the Torghast/Maw section of the Art book and on Artstation, it’s Torghast 
Not the Other Side at all
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and we get the current death rites of “all races”
I do think this information is important, because it lays out all of it in one spot and gives clear confirmation for all of it. There’s no statement of speculation from the Broker writing it so we can take this as fact. The information here has been scattered around previously which made it more obscure and less likely to know. We can assume that the Trolls worshipped Mueh’zala because he protected them since they stopped doing so when civilization started to thrive. I think we can take from this that Mueh’zala protected Trolls from the Black Empire.
It was in the one dungeon lol
This is speculation sure but we already have Troll-Aqir War lore
Kinda find it hilarious how the one race that gets the Kenny McCormick treatment is the one that’s mostly spared from the Jailer’s shenanigans.
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Oh more retcons coming, who could have forseen…
Just a question, in this image we can see another page that seems to be the one of the previously cosmology map, is this page also in the book or it was put it to be a comparsion?
this time, it is no retcon…its clearly written from a biased perspective…they even comment on stuff…its not objective “Word of god” lore.
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What I most love about what Blizzard is doing is saying that there is no “one” truth about the universe and its lore. There are many perspectives that contribute to a, very likely, flawed understanding of how the actual world works.
Some people may find this lazy writing–allowing for changes and “retcons” of already established canon lore, while others, like myself, enjoy that this allows for flexibility, creativity, and changes to the story over time.
There is a saying: History is written by the victors.
But even over time, as we find evidence of other writings and archeological finds and old documents and personal recollections–even now, our history is growing and changing to reflect new evidence and new findings. We ascribe to these things importance relative to our experiences in life; society ascribes importance based on the ideals and beliefs of the society.
In short, I find this way of telling a story more believable and true-to-form than a fixed cosmology. We all see the world according to our own perspectives. It stands to reason that those of us who include more perspectives in our own view of the world will have a broader view with regard to how it all “works.”
A thousand years ago if you’d tried to describe quantum theory to people, they’d have thought you were insane. (You’d also likely have been executed.) And yet today, modern science and technology have embraced the theory to create whole new ideas about how the world and the universe work.
Each story that we’re introduced to–each new bit of information that we are given allows us to create our own understanding of how the universe of World of Warcraft “works.” And maybe there’s some fixed version of the world in one of their lore notebooks somewhere, but that was always just a starting point–like how the Light evolved from a deistic idea to the Light we have today in the game. (Check out some of the older posts about Warcraft I; many players remember phrasing from the game that referenced a “God.”)
Over time, the worlds and ideas we began with evolve and change, and that’s perfectly normal. That the World of Warcraft writers have embraced this idea, to me, is a good thing.
(Would I like to see more stories told that shore up and expand on the scant lore that we’re given in-game and in the books? Absolutely. Would I like to see more consistent storytelling? Yeah. And what I wouldn’t give to have in-game lore characters settled in to debate the very same information we debate here on the forums. How cool would that be? And how neat would it be in helping to further define those characters instead of some of the air-brushed stories we’ve been given that further caricaturize them instead? Ah well. I’ll keep waiting,…)
To the original poster: Thanks for posting this. I’ve enjoyed the debates it has sparked, and I’m hoping we’ll all have fun speculating about this for years to come.
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