? It’s the snakes
The snakes is the loop.
The entire death sphere is the shadowlands here
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Well it does reconceptualize void. A thousand Years of War presented that Shadow was actually a by-product of Light, it’s the shadow Light casts. The Shadow Ascendant can wield both Light and Shadow.
That’s still a far cry from Void, who is supposed to have existed prior to Light. They went a muddled a perfectly fine cosmic chart with over simplification imo.
The art is nice but I’m dissapointed that this chart doesn’t represent a cohesive sephirot as much as the previous chart did. It’s just another way this writing team is dumbing the lore down for it’s intended audience. I’m not too happy this book mocks anyone who had previously tried to make sense of the Chronicle chart and at the end of the day I want to chalk this chart up to bias on the brokers part by putting Death as Kether (The Crown) on this tree of Life.
This seems more like Death supremacy propaganda than cosmic truth, but we will see, they could come out next week and say that the brokers are biased.
touche…hell I didn’t even look past the “Great Cycle”
Its there. lol
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This chart moves away from Judeo/Christian/Islamic mysticism and more into Alchemical Theology.
Look closer Baal. It’s the Divine Marriage. The Sun, The Moon, Life and Death, Light and Shadow.
Don’t hate me when I’m right about An’she being Zorval. Zorval is “The Dark Sun.”
I understand that this is from a broker’s perspective but am I the only one that thinks the Titans are portrayed as dumb? Ignorant at least.
the same apply to the brokers aswell…they think they know everything better.
I am not sure you are suppose to take that personally. If anything the broker is just as ignoring/has as incomplete a consmology chart. But he is too arrogant to even thing he is wrong.
The way I see it, both cosmology chart are probably both correct at certain points.
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Yes but the brokers know more. The Titans don’t seem to know about the First Ones, next to nothing about the Shadowlands, and I guess we have to wait and see what they know about Life.
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Six or seven endless spheres circling each other?
the titans know things the broker don´t know, the titans know almost everything about our realms, the reality, the brokers know more about the shadowlands and…tbh, in the entire shadowlands is everything working as it should, its not really…interesting 
Yeah Danuser def googled “medieval kabbalah alchemy” and drew inspiration
There’s actually one specific diagram I think he used, I’ll try to find it.
That would be such a novel and unprecedented level of problematic
The broker calls the previous chart stupid and ridiculous and that he had to resist breaking out in laughter how the Azerothian Scholar Person so firmly believed and speculated upon the other chart
So
Here we are lol
I’m not sure it’s NOT a sub-post either however.
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Long thread so not sure if anyone has brought this up, but it looks like in this chart that what we think of as ‘physical reality’ and the Shadowlands are lumped together as one thing ‘The Great Cycle’. From the Brokers perspective thee doesn’t seem to be a sharp distinction between the two, and I think that’s the most significant thing about this cosmological chart.
The theoretical seventh force that gives the other six stability and a framework within which to exist is probably going to turn out to be some kind of power cosmic associated with physical reality itself. Given how that power has been described by Zovaal and the brokers research I think it’s safe to say it’s the power of The Great Cycle itself - a force of both creation and destruction, the engine that drives reality.
No, it wouldn’t.
The Light/The Sun has always been depicted as vain, ego centric, needing to be reigned in, that’s part of divine gender dynamics as well…masculine energy is destructive. I know you want An’she to be a hero but what if he’s not?
The Embrace set the ground work for both the Sun and Moon to be villian batted.
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Even A’Dal was conceited?
M … Will Illidan come up as an argument against self-love doesn’t mean a villainous bat?
Hmm. The Moon is more difficult. Suffer as I suffered. Either kill or satisfy. Jaina who didn’t drown Orgrimmar?
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Into the abyss! If Human Potential is also brought to Elune … Fe.
It would because An’she is yet another Horde-side deity based upon mythos of non-Euro peoples (dual wielding fire-and-earth using solar warrior + Lakota Anpao) so revealing that the in-game Native American metaphor race’s solar god based upon IRL Native mythology is actually the current Big Bad and WoW Lucifer and after revealing that the Tauren Were Wrong/Night Elves Were Right and Elune is not “also” named Musha as Elune is her real (and only) name
Very bad.
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First of all An’she and Mu’sha are not based on Native American myth. Tauren are appropriating Native American iconography (Thanks Metzen for your cultural insensitivity while Worldbuilding!)
A’nshe and Mu’sha are based on mutilpe different compararive solar and lunar deities, most notably from East Asia and Polynensia.
Mu’sha and An’she bear more resemblance to Mayari and Apolaki, The Eyes of the Earthmother as well as Night Elven Myth about how Elune became either blind or missing one eye support this comparison. I know you want Mu’sha and An’she to be based on Native American myth but it’s not. Native American myths are varied and change from nation to nation. It wouldn’t be bastardization to make An’she a Dark Sun. It’s actually expected based on most mythological sources.
The real interesting thing is…baal…your argument means in the other way…Would be the tauren be correct about the name Mu’Sha…than that would be not bad for the night elf…because they are not based on African/Native American people?
Nah it’s not appropriation because, up until Cataclysm, the Tauren race was portrayed as strong, competent, and having agency and power.
An’she is based on Native myths.
The Earthmother Eye aspect is Japanese.
I’ve told you repeatedly in multiple threads my hope was that none of our names were “correct” and were simply “titles” used (and a new name unrelated to anyone would be revealed) or that her “full name” was both names together “Elune Mu’sha”
It is apprpriation. Using totems without signifying what they mean, apprpriating concepts like the Thunderbird which is all over Tauren regalia, and the War bonnet without addressing what any of these symbols mean to the Tauren…it’s appropration.
It’s a white man (Metzen’s) appropriation of Native culture. And I was hoping you of all people Baal would understand this.
I think the ideal would be that nobody is “correct” about Elune’s name. If every culture had their own name for the deity, then they’re all valid and accepted by Elune.
As it is now, night elves and beings from other planets and dimensions all refer to her as Elune. This means those other races and peoples all had to have some shared way of happening across the same name, and the narrative supports Elune being her true name. Except the tauren, who somehow got it wrong. Even the Zandalari heretics somehow get closer, and they talk about having spoken with her too.
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