I remind you that multiple of your leaders are actually from that period 15 years ago lol
Zahir, you know it is not good writing to have only one faction be framed as “the bad guys” with all “heroic virtues” thrown in the dumptster.
You know this is bad writing.
You know they will not retcon Teldrassil out of existence.
You know nothing the Horde does will allow for redemption and narrative equity.
So the only option is to Villain Bat the Alliance, to allow for narrative equity.
Is there.
Is there though
Is it
Is it though
At the moment looks like Elune The Night Elf Goddess is gonna save the universe.
yeah but Elune and the Night Warrior also look unhinged
Just saying.
if they wanted to even the playing field they would have Tyrande use her powers to blow up Orgrimmar or something. ( I don’t think this is where it’s going, but it also seems like the Night Elves are getting a bit of a nose smack for wanting to be vindictive. Blizzard is not doing them any favors either.)
Also there’s a way to still make An’she a hero even if he is Zorval, in The Embrace the Blood Moon part where The White lady usurps the Sun because she burns so hot on the surface that she turns her grief into a weapon, I can see that being the mythology where he strikes Elune and she loses an eye and he does it to protect the mortal races.
There’s a lot of parallels they can make with this story and why the Jailer is such a blah villain or why it seems like the narrative doesn’t quite want to villain bat him just yet.
They are…and the horde gave them EVERY justification to be that way…even back then.
Racism is hate in itself, mostly unfounded or only weakly justified in personal owns past (bullied in school, hatefull parrents who teach this is the only right way, we all know it), but the alliance races, which are known for their hate, have every reason to do so, it would just be even worse storytelling if you would turn their hate, which they have because of the actions of the horde, into unjustified hate against the horde, and make them the villian, because of it.
I do not know my political convictions, I have never thought about them.
But “noble” definitely means aristocracy. Perhaps this is due to languages, “noble” consists of “good”, “kind”, denotes a certain superiority, features inherent only in the highest.
So what about “how do you go about encouraging deprecated practices”?
“Racism in response to tragedy is bad” is one of the earliest lessons WoW instilled in the narrative the developers have violently forgotten because they’re so far removed from that period in US/Western history.
And again, because you know I’m right:
There is no escaping this conclusion.
We will not get a retcon. There is no narrative redemption. The Alliance must be villain batted assuming that Blizzard wants any sort of narrative equity.
That’s unsurprising. Maybe figure out who you are and what you believe in before commenting and analyzing on complex and sensitive topics that require nuance in your perspective.
the points you make are mostly right…but i strongly disagree with your conclusion
Then what is your conclusion, if you recognize that we aren’t getting a retcon, and there is nothing the narrative can do that can redeem or walk back genocide for one of the two player factions?
Sorry, you´ll have to wait a little bit, i have to go for a while before i post again (a few hours from now)
You should probably take one of those political literacy tests to see what side of the political spectrum your values fall on. Once you know how you skew left, right, center etc. you can find a political position that aligns with your values.
I think the test is called The Political Compass Test.
M … No. Sounds reasonable, right and all, but no. Climb, without understanding, in complex topics, and then feel shame or endure the consequences - yes.
I still won’t be able to master all the subtleties. At a minimum, a normal education is required to at least begin to master the subtleties. Mda. “Everything is always better than me,” I again sing the song of self-pity.
Anyway.
How does the Dazar’Alor raid take place? Do you play one side first, then the other?
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I forgot. So. What is the goal of the racist Greymane? Show what?
I mean that tells you where you stand but it’s hardly a basis for mulling about existence.
Read books and do community labor and volunteer work.
“Complete tolerance” or “complete indifference”? When you are bad, because you are bad, and not because you are some kind, right?
But there will still be a number of restrictions. “You can look whatever you want, do whatever and believe in anyone, as long as you fit into our open-minded system. Otherwise, you will be judged or worse.”
I already know that I’m at the bottom. Yes, this is not the real bottom, the bottom is still far away. But still, “I’m not good enough to communicate with someone.”
Into the abyss of social and volunteer work, I would first find a regular job and not quit in two days. Yes, I only got a job once, worked less than eight hours and safely resigned, frustrated by insignificant criticism, which was not criticism, but was the question of “why so little?”
Mda.
By reading books you mean “high” literature, philosophers’ reasoning, history, what is referred to as higher education, right?
hmmm
Tolerance and indifference mean wildly different things Shern. Tolerance means that you tolerate it, you don’t like it but you accept that it happens. Indifference means you don’t care at all. They can’t be equated to being the same thing. It’s not really a judge of goodness or badness. There’s something called the “Intolerance paradox” where to be a tolerant society we have to actually be intolerant of intolerance. Hopefully that doesn’t get jumbled up in your translator.
To be intolerant you can’t actually be indifferent.
I think he means, your political compass can tell you a lot about where you fall on the political spectrum but it’s not always a good representation of your views, it could just show you the existing political stance you have. To know where you stand politically you have to consume different forms of media and strengthen your political literacy. Yeah, the answer is always “seek higher learning.” but that doesn’t necessarily mean going to school. Reading books can also be higher learning, consuming media, self reflection etc. basically never stop learning or be willing to accept new ideas, as new ideas are being presented to you.
By reading books you mean “high” literature, philosophers’ reasoning, history, what is referred to as higher education, right?
Yes exactly.
But this is the ultimate goal of tolerance - indifference, isn’t it? When everyone is free to be anyone and everyone doesn’t care who everyone else is. Except hate.
Not. No no no. At least until I see a psychologist. Or I may not acquire a living space where I can not be afraid of condemnation.
I studied so that I would never learn again. Freeze in time. Mda. Frozen. But not as much as we would like.
And higher literature … No. It is unlikely that I will ever be ready for it. Not that I’m going to prepare for it.
Gods, I’m afraid even to read fiction on any serious topic.
Or I again came up with a million empty constraints. Mda.
No, not indifference. Acceptance is a better word. Tolerance and acceptance go hand in hand.
I don’t blame you. I hope that the situation in Russia turns around for you soon. Stay safe.
Went faster than expected 
So my solution? “Try it, you don’t know if its works”:
I can probably judge this the best, from a cultural situation - as a German - you can never make good what my ancestors and my nation has done, there is no redemption from this nightmare and no matter what we will do, we will never really experience redemption, we will try it…we will try it, and that’s all we can do.
This good will should also accompany the horde from now on, you can’t make it up, you can’t, so you just have to try knowing you will never achieve it, yet you strive for it.
This is in my eyes the only solution that deals with the situation respectfully…and long-lasting.
By the way, striving for it doesn’t mean that you can’t criticize, diplomatically disagree or take a position that is allways “for the alliance” on your own cost, but it also means accepting the suffering you have caused, striving to atone for it and living with it.
Redemption should and must never come cheap.
What does Russia have to do with it? These are my personal defects associated with my own cowardice and the life of six (one pensioner, one 39-year-old, one 6-year-old, one 4-year-old, one 21-year-old (me)). Demon. It’s been a year since my brother (19 years old) moved out.
So. You shouldn’t complain about life unjustifiably. Yes. I don’t do anything myself.
How hard is it to live as a homeless person early on?
It’s really hard to get a good grasp of what you are saying through your translator. I thought you may have been being persecuted.