I’m on the extreme end but I never would have enjoyed a faction war scenario to begin with, even if the alliance did hit first and hard. I already felt like the horde deserved it; I just hadn’t fathomed how much worse it could get.
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True, but think of all the good that would have came out of it. Everyone gets something nice, the worgen finally get their revenge, Teldrassil finally makes sense as a escalation tactic because the forsaken are pissed at the worgen and decided to take their revenge out on the kaldorei due to them helping the worgen during the war in gilneas, etc
But that’s me 
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How about a bloody voluntary sacrifice? Say, a march to the execution of all who participated in the previous military conflicts of the Horde? Only the “innocent” young generation will remain, drawn into the war by the desecrated old people. The “innocent” generation will only have to recognize their ancestors as monsters. To demolish several monuments, rename several places and live from scratch, mortally afraid of getting it dirty.
Yet that only happens because the horde abused the night elves and Gilneans in the first place. Ick. Even if you removed the burning altogether, I still would have loathed it.
Personally I think it’s just straight up impossible to make either of them, or Jaina, enjoyable antagonists for me.
Logically this would include the horde player character, though.
I don’t want anyone to get offended, but as a Worgen player, I will admit, I’m rather tired of fighting the horde and never getting that one fist pumping victory against them.
Not gonna lie, I hate fighting the horde because I know as a alliance player, we’re never going to get to retaliate properly against the horde. I guess we’re in the same boat, just for different reasons.
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Need to think.
A survivor of a mountain of corpses?
The option “covered by the character of the Alliance” does not fit, again the Alliance dresses in white.
Did the firing squad suddenly die (through no fault of the Horde)?
Postmark “daughter / son character name”?
It would however also effectively sterilize the Horde for all future stories. Which would be the point. Because it would kill off what remains of our already rather pathetic roster in this absurdly hero driven game. Well, it is a more self-aware method of removing the Horde Faction from the game I suppose. They know they can’t destroy the Faction Mechanically, so they’ll just ensure it can never again find any relevance narratively. Aren’t we lucky Horde players? We get to exist in the Alliance player’s game. 
As for the Faction Conflict? Yeah, no, I’m right there with you Sarm. Even before BfA I saw nothing of value that could come from it on a story level; beyond “maybe” rep development under pressure (and Alliance players would still be screeching about hollow and Horde-Biasy even that one restriction would be). Ever since Cata Blizz has operated under this bizarre philosophy of “While the Horde HAS to be antagonistic towards the Alliance (while being allowed zero reasons to be), the Alliance can never be antagonistic or aggressive against the Horde”. That story thread has nothing but negative associations for the Horde faction at this point.
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Yeah, and I get it. Diametrically opposing viewpoints and all. It’s just on top of feeling like the horde deserves it, the worgen double as the kind of scenario pitting me as the villain against the kind of character fantasy I wanted all along.
I suppose if the coin had to land one way or the other, the “solution” would be for the devs to go “screw what Sarm wants” and design your scenario anyway, but that’s a bit of a bummer to think about.
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The faction war could be good, if it didn’t the war didn’t always boil down to Horde commits another war crime, alliance looks on dumbfounded for believing the horde will change, and the ending being the hordes crimes are white washed because Morloc, the mega super evil Murloc commanded the warchief to do so
(That last part was sarcasm on how ridiculous it is that the hordes crimes are always due to some outside super evil influence or said warchief was always evil and everyone acts surprised)
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I think they also could have had a vision of the future that showed the alliance razing Orgrimmar. Still have the horde make the preemptive strike. Have the Alliance feel personally wronged, but also give the Horde more justification in a fight for survival.
That said, the faction war in BfA is a wreck compared to the faction war in Cataclysm.
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Sterilization will cleanse you of your sins and develop a generation …
I dont know. Trying to live right and on their own.
Then there will be hungry corpses. Slow / fast extinction of the Horde. And then the collapse of the Alliance will come, because the reason for its existence has finally disappeared.
And here it is, the ideal - each race is in itself, each has its own policy, treachery alliances … It remains to figure out where the descendants of the Horde will be here. The Horde - Azeroth’s last alliance, in a world steeped in intrigue?
Blizz screwed up and angered a lot of people. I don’t think that sort of damage can be undone, because a lot of players, me included, don’t trust blizzard to be capable of writing a actual nuanced, morally grey war/conflict.
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Hopefully that just translated poorly.
I REALLY don’t want this in a video game.
I cannot express in words how much I don’t want this.
Literally, I cringed and crossed my legs.
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This word was used. I proposed a massive voluntary execution.
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My eyes went cross eyed trying to decipher what Shernish was talking about.
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Do you consider Teldrassil a fist pump victory?
The fact that you even asked that makes me want to throw up. Is that a honest question? Like, for real?
Narratively, yes. Because it provides good story moving forward. Something controversial has happened that people still talk about and argue over. It allows for more interesting arcs moving forward, despite the ball being dropped in that regard.
Contextually, no…burning down a civilization is not a win.
Ah, I understand the context now (both for Droite and your response).
Just - how about we all avoid sterilizing the Horde?
That in-game cinematic is one I really want to avoid.
Are you talking about a mass execution? Or about the ability to reproduce?
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