New race needs to tank, not because of tank shortage, but just because

Instead of hoping somebody else will do it, go get it started yourself, my dude/dudet! DOOO EEET!

People are just ignorant about the rarity of the Drakthyr. They argue that every new race should be able to tank because thats what Blizzard did for Demon Hunters, Death Knights, and Monks. However, Drakthyr arent your typical new class/race. They have limited numbers (being created by Neltharion long time ago) and arguing that they should be selflessly putting themselves in harms way as a tanking class is ignorant and just asking for Drakthyrcide for a race with a severely limited population.

In short, Drakthyr shouldnt be allowed to tank. Its beneath them when there are plenty of other denizens of azoroth who are more than ready and capable to tank for the Drakthyr.

uhhh, you do realize that the drakthyr are also fighting right? That also means theyā€™re putting themselves in harms way :male_detective:

As ranged Dps/healers. Not a tanking specializations which azoroth already has plentiful numbers through other races.

I want to add this here, if anything they can be and should be death knights, only because of the death knight hero class feature of being able to play as one on any race.

Says the guy who did not read the title, let alone the postā€¦

Just adding new Tanks will not fix the tank shortage.
Thereā€™s a significant chance the tank will turn into a Bruiser(Tank/DPS Hybrid) and resort to the only content where Bruisers are Viable.

I feel the slighted part, maybe not because I think Blizzard is trying to just that sometimes the new Class (at least DH and now this one, Edit: I guess DKs did this too) doesnt have something everyone even try.

When you canā€™t do what you want on a new class it feels you donā€™t get to necessarily enjoy the fun. For example, in my M+ group our tank wants to play (or at least try out) Evokerā€¦ well now we donā€™t have a tank if he sticks to it, not that its a problem at all to play what he wants just that we might get in a position where someone else has to tank (when the rest of us may or may not be nearly as good at it xD).

This was kind of why I was hoping for new specs. You can get the same FOMO feeling too but its a lot different to see Mages getting a healer spec or Shamans getting a tank spec versus a full blown new Class that is also a dragonkin but not do the role you normally do.

LITERALLY IN THE TITLE.
Please read the original post before you respond. Defeats the entire purpose of the forums, doing what you are doingā€¦

Yeah lets ask a Dragon Aspects newly created race of Hybrid Soldiers to risk their necks for the rest of us Azorothian Champions just because.

Who cares if Drakthyr dont have the technique and proficiency to wield a sword and board, and who cares if they dont know how to utilize fel magick, and who cares if theyve never crafted a nimble brew for close quarter combat, and who cares that they arent mastering blood and unholy magicks to bolster their defenses for prolonged combat, and who cares that they dont worship Elune and are masters of shapeshifting into avatars of bears for mitigating damage.

They should be willing to risk their lives for the rest of us because we totally want to drive the Drakthyr to extinction by tanking dungeons in the new expansion with them even though they never exhibited tanking proficiencies in the expansion reveal trailer that showed off their evoker class/race combination.

Okay. Your ideas are bad. A channeled ability on a tank is a terrible idea because tanks need to constantly be moving, or at least have the option of moving. A channeled cone attack is a bad idea for same reason that a channeled stun was a bad idea (which was Bear Hug).

Blocking ALL melee attacks for 6 seconds AND giving magic reduction? Thatā€™s silly, Brewmasters have an ability that causes all melee attacks to miss but it only lasts 3 seconds and gives nothing against magic. A 50% damage reduction that heals you afterwards? Again, ridiculous. ā€œThink Earthquakeā€ - how about I think Consecration, instead? It already exists. Now youā€™re just borrowing from Paladins.

They started with 1 tank. Then they added 2 more. Now we have 6. EVERY TIME theyā€™ve added a class to the game, itā€™s been a tank.

There is no more design space for tanks.

Thatā€™s why Evokers arenā€™t tanks. Thereā€™s nothing left to do.

And if there WAS a cool tank mechanic they came up with, better to give it to one of the undeveloped tanks like Warriors or Druids, instead.

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Are we not all borrowing from one another in some way? I mean, the new race is literally using mage and dk and some druid animationsā€¦
Your point there is kinda moot.
Also, Consecrate and Earthquake have a completely different animationā€¦which is why I said ā€œthink earthquakeā€ and not ā€œthink consecrateā€ā€¦

If you donā€™t have three seconds, every 35 seconds, where you can stop moving, then I donā€™t know what to tell you. That sounds like a you problem. Maybe suggest that the spell lasts for the full duration as long as you cast for 1.5 seconds or something. But instead, you chose to just be rude lol. Feedback is one thing, but being rude about it is another.

It is literally Shield Block, that Warriors have, with their Spell Reflect as well. Instead of being rude, you could have suggested maybe that the amount of magic damage reduction be lowered to maybe 5% instead. If you will notice, I made the cooldown 20 seconds, instead of the 15 seconds of Shield Block, and also with charges like Shield Block. The twenty seconds would make you have to somewhat consider WHEN you use the skill.

Yeah, they also have Stagger in addition to magically causing enemies to miss out of nowhere for 3 seconds. Blocking only reduces damage by so much, meanwhile missing mitigates all damage, so blocking all melee attacks is not as powerful as you seem to think.

Well, while you are corect here, you go on to say:

Which is just as stupid as saying something like ā€œeverything that can be invented, already has.ā€ā€¦just because you lack the imagination, does not mean that everybody else does as well.

If you notice, I had said, and I quote:

Notice the ā€œ?ā€ after the ā€œ55%ā€? Do you see it there?

Right thereā€¦Notice the question mark? It indicates that I am unsure of an appropriate percentage value. Meaning I was looking for feedback, aka ideas on how to improve what was presented. So far you have done nothing productive. All you have done, so far, is just tell me its stupid and dumb and stupid and really dumbā€¦which helps nobody, and accomplishes nothing.

If you are trying to give feedback, you are a prime example of why nothing can ever get communicated to Blizzard. People like you refuse to do even the most basic thing, which is to read the title and post, then follow simple instructions.

Please do put some effort into it. You are clearly smart enough to make a coherent enough post, as you didā€¦so why not put the time in to enhance something, instead of trying to tear it down?

Because Iā€™m tired of having this conversation with people who havenā€™t looked at the design history of tanks in World of Warcraft. Thatā€™s why.

So not only did you waste YOUR time, you did worseā€¦you wasted everybody elseā€™s time.
If you not here for corrective or additional feedback (of the useful variety) on how to improve the original idea, then why are you here?
If you are tired of having the conversation, then why did you volunteer yourself to it?

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Lol this was such a ridiculous thing for Blizzard to implement. More work and responsibility for a tank. :rofl:

Iā€™m another who tanks content and REALLY want to play a dragonkin. Always pick the race in D&D if itā€™s an option because I love the concept. I donā€™t mind that theyā€™re only RDPS but to lock them out of tanking when there is LITERALLY only one class they can be is the issue. Itā€™s not like with DKs or Monks or DH, because those were specific classes, they were not locked to one race. That is an apples to oranges issues because we canā€™t just pick another class.

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And that is the whole point. Thank you. You and a couple of other people see part of the deeper issue. Forget tank shortages that are kind of not happening en masse as everybody keeps saying, but think on the fact that a whole race can only do two things. They apparently never learned how to use weapons or have never seen combat or something? Nothing about it makes sense to NOT have a tanking spec for an entire race, because they canā€™t pick any other class either.

ā€œBut, giving them another class like Warrior so they can tankā€¦that fixes the problem, right?ā€
Wrong. Because now they have three dps specs, a healing, and a tank spec. Then people would complain that the new race has more dps options, so now we need more healing options or more tank options, blah blah blah, reductio ad absurdum at that point.

Just give the new RACE the ability to tank.
To everybody else, notice the title clearly says ā€œthe new RACEā€ the new RACE, RACE, not CLASS. The whole entire race canā€™t tank, and it makes no sense in the slightest.
Imagine if Humans could only Play Warrior. Now all humans can only Tank and DPS, because reasonsā€¦
It would not make sense.

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Youā€™d think given weā€™re neltharionā€™s creations of all things weā€™d have a bit moreā€¦ him as our powerset no? Makes zero sense why we canā€™t have a tank spec let alone something that majorly represents the black dragon flight

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Honestly, youā€™d think theyā€™d make a tank spec and not for lore reason or w/e.

Because we now have two specs in the game a healing and a dps spec that use the new empowered mechanic and you would think theyā€™d like to have that mechanic on a tank. If the mechanic takes off and people like it, they wouldā€™ve essentially had all 3 roles tested for it and could slowly implement into other classes.