Here we go!
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Essentially, they undid the fixes to early gearing for melee (especially Shaman), and then forced their retail design on a system that was well understood and utilized during TBC the same way it would have in Classic TBC.
Utterly terrible change. Shaman are largely going to be forced into using a blue offhand now.
After said fixes being undone for, āauthentic to early TBC gearingāā¦ theyāre now making changes that makes it not authentic to early TBC gearing.
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thatās not really a very good argument, many players bis were blue items, even into naxx. Mages for example bis was the undead slaying set. Many casters bis was bloodvine (both 3 piece sets). kitty druids bis is a freaking lvl 40 blue helm ffs.
You may have a point, but you didnāt make it here.
To be fair, didnāt arena season 1 not start immediately either? So those weapons being available at all would also be inaccurateā¦
Because the blues were good. Not that there was simply no alternative, which is the case for Shaman. Thereās a very big difference there.
This is a forced change that goes against the intention for authenticity in TBC. They just undid all the fixes to early TBC gearing (MH-only BS weapons, MH-only Kara weapons) for authenticity, now they do this which further nerfs it and is inauthentic.
Of course I did. Lack of options vs. being really good. Hunters, for example, use the Beast Lord set until t5 because itās really good.
Season 1 started January 30th 2007, TBC launched January 16th 2007. So two weeks.
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Then what was all the talk about having the arena season start earlier this time? They were only talking about 2 weeks?
I have no idea. I just looked it up, it shows the start date and duration of every season.
Good change.
People shouldnāt be able to lose their way to BiS weapons at the start of every season.
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To be honest, I agree with this. Itās annoying because I want to play enh shaman, but at the same timeā¦ I can see why they made the change.
And no, options are not being removed- they are being restricted. The items are still available to those who can earn them, same as any other drop.
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It would happen in P1 because there is literally no alternative. It was a problem of early TBC that was fixed late in TBC, but was undone on the beta for, āauthenticityā.
Itās not a good change. Itās terrible, as it leaves people in bad spots. Shaman in particular, as Iāve said, have a dungeon BiS purely because there is no alternative in raid. We canāt even get the world boss sword like Warriors, and their DPS isnāt tied as tightly to a slow offhand.
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Thereās no reason for these changes. Small QoL improvements are great, but theyāre going too far and changing too much with this retail version of arena. A massive amount of returning players are coming strictly for TBC arenaā¦ like this change is going to cost blizzard revenue.
The biggest stand out thoughā¦ too many classes rely on arena weapons for their PvE BiS with few other comparable options available. Youāre telling me prot paladins are now required not only to grind out 2k+ rating (which isnāt the hardest thing to do, but not feasible for a lot of people strictly playing a tank), but that they now have to respec and maintain their 2050 personal rating every week outside of raid / farming just to keep that main hand that the grinded for? No, gtfo with that change. Rating requirements werenāt in TBC until season 3 or 4. And NEVER have you required someone to play and maintain that rating to keep their already purchased gear.
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If they made the change for that reason, why didnāt they do the same with R14 and other ādegenerateā things in Classic?
Options are absolutely being removed. You now are required to hit a fairly high rating just to get the weapon. The wording also makes it possible if you drop below a certain rating you canāt even use the gear.
Theyāre using the excuse of a, āhealthierā PvP environment and the, āprestigeā of obtaining the gearā¦ which is just ridiculously stupid. It wonāt promote any healthier PvP environment and there isnāt a prestige to it, it should be easy to obtain so people arenāt outgearing others.
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The prestige was from the titles and mounts. This is sad, retail wow is slowly eating the classic expansions. This is cancer.
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Rating requirements of any kind on PvP gear do not create a healthier PvP environment. They purely make it worse. It destroys casual PvP. MoP and WoD let everyone get a full conquest set with no rating requirement (and so did early TBC, though we had more conquest farming options in later expansions).
Everyone got to PVP on an equal playing field. Casual PvP and PvPing on alts was great in those expansions.
Oh well. D2:R will hopefully be out in June so I can mostly ignore TBCC.
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Honestly, this is exactly what the people talking about the slippery slope warned about.
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This basically means arena is dead for anyone casual. I plan on playing a shaman (which is clearly NOT a good arena class in the meta) and am not that great at PVP. Even intro level PVP gear will take 1550 arena rating which is about 40 higher than I ever got in the original TBC. So if I want to arena Iām going to have to climb the ladder in BG blues.
As a non-hardcore PVPāer this basically means I wonāt touch an ounce of PVP in TBC classic, because thereās literally no way to get anything good enough to even compete. You need at least the entry level gear to not require rating, like later on having last seasonās gear not requiring rating. What this will mean is you canāt get competitive gear to even be good enough to get competitive gear. As far as Iām concerned, this is a nail in the coffin for anyone not hardcore in the scene.
I believe that ranking in PVP should be about skill, and not gear, and that allowing the best to outgear the rest makes it that much worse for anyone trying to push there way into any of that.
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Rshaman is a meta class in 3s.
And yes, I know there are the BG blues, but those patently suck. Hardly worth farming if Iām not going to be able to move up to arena gear.
So we have to be a healer to actually get our melee weapons for Enhancement?
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These are bad changes.
going from 1500->1850 for weapons to 0->2050 is insane. You also have to maintain a ranking above 2050 to keep your weapons equipped
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