You find BfA´s writting good, so sorry but your opinion isn´t precisely objectively good, Zerde.
Anything reinforcing your “Human Potential” PoV is “good”, ergo… not surprised AT ALL you find a trash tier character like Veeresa “good”.
She suddenly remembering she was a mother after what, 7 years of giving birth to the twins wasn´t peak smart writting tbqh.
Maybe when you’re an elf, and your timespan goes so long that entire civilizations can rise and fall before you roll out of bed for breakfast, things like “remembering that you’re a parent” can be often forgotten for the first century or two.
It’d probably be super awkward if your kids don’t have that longevity, though. “Oh right, I completely forgot about little Timmy, I better check up on him” while absentmindedly walking past his grave because he died of old age a long time ago.
Then how did the elves survive with such an attitude towards children? Children won’t wait for feeding. Although … The first two or three pregnancies will end in a funeral with the wording “was forgotten for five to ten years”?
Another one of your baseless hot takes? Especially considering the subject is a high elf and not a human. A character I think is pretty good because of what she has done on her own. She was never Rhonin’s arm candy and once Rhonin was gone she was given her own arc about moving on from grief.
Again, another ignorant hot take. Vereesa literally went on a solo mission to hunt down a blood elf(A Windrunner cousin as I recall) because they threatened her kids. She was the kind of mother who would do anything in her power to protect her children.
The reason she had not spent much time with her kids was because THE LOVE OF HER LIFE WAS MURDERED. Or are we going to ignore how much grief manages to change people? points at Sylvanas At best she left their side for the better part of a year(which is what we assume is the length of the Pandaren campaign)
This is completely false, they are not all canon. Each story should be taken with a pinch of salt, as they are specifically advertised as fairy tales.
Nah, it does not, when we’re talking about WoW story. Just look at how the “justice” story marketed at the beginning of the BfA turned out.
[spoiler: devs themselves called changing the horde into something new the main goal of the faction narrative of that expansion; so all the stories about child burning (Elegy, implied in the game) amounted to plot convenience, and not relevance of story elements]
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The problem is the devs also promised that the Trolls and Tauren would hash out old conflicts with the Night Elves in two other warfronts
Never came to be.
By “something new” they really meant, the same old tired “turn em into a vehicle for our deranged vision and story to settup future content and villains”. Seriously, there really is a part of me that believes that there are at least a few devs who at least think of the WC3 vision of the Horde as a burden to write around (or at least a financial burden. As they already have their peerless white hero faction, two hero factions is a waist).
They are more fond of the WC2 image of the Horde, in no small part because its edgy and MUCH easier to write (nuance takes effort and time), but still know enough that the current Horde and its parts ONLY make sense within the confines of that WC3 image. Which is why the simultaneously silence that vision for YEARS to have their WC2 plot-device fun, but still wheel out the WC3 to save the faction when that fun did what it needed to to move the plot along. Its also why whenever we have a villain bat round, along with that silencing, it always starts with a forced despot being mcguffined into the drivers seat … and WC3 founder dying to enforce it.
I’ll try to guess. The horror of the fact that I recognized all the goblins born and raised to “noble” goblins (Gazlowe’s entry into power) sinful?
Just as well they’re on the Horde side then.
I have yet to see evidence of this “widespread misery” as for the negativity, I don’t see anything abnormal for a gamer culture in that regard. There is no form of this game t hat’s going to please everyone and the folks who aren’t pleased tend to be vocal out of proportion. The only metric that Blizzard pays attention to is those subs.
Maybe that’s why in almost every fantasy venue, elven civilisations are in decline.
It means that we’ll never know one way or the other unless it’s addressed in a different venue. Most tales have some kernal of truth in them. The classic faerie allergy to cold iron is a shadow of how the primitive PICT tribes were defeated with metal weapons by the Celts and Saxons. The peoples and cultures vanished and are now only remembered in distorted fragments. The partially remembered Picts become faeries some graceful, others dark and savage, but always alien.
Elune has only been said to have spoken to individuals via messngers, or interpretations of omens, she’s never been quoted directly, just as she has never acted directly.
I could get the trolls, although darkspear vs night elves would’ve been odd, after the W3 especially (as usual, undermining older story is required for the new direction to work).
But zandalari were not part of the horde originally, there is no Empire for a while, and I am not sure Azshara can make a return as a faction-related character, plus, imprisonment of Talanji is on Anduin, just like approving the Zuldazar operation to go further than attacking the ships themselves. Awkward.
Tauren are… that would’ve been hella odd after all the Cenarion Circle stuff. I mean, even now the whole “peace” story and handling the topic look awfully, imagine if the tauren would lose the weight to be a “pro-peace no matter the cost” value the current devs placed on them?
(and yes, there is a mission on the horde sides that mentions the alliance breaching the gates to Mulgore, but that’s about it)
I have an odd feeling. I can’t point it out, but something like:
I am not sure what it is, but is surely feels like they’re using the story as a tool to push their biases for characters and ideologies, and WoW just happened to be the IP they got a chance to butcher to make it work.
I would agree with this idea if the devs would openly advertice the story through these lenses. Like “we can only make this story decently, so we’re sad to announce that this is the case, but we promise to make a good story about what we can instead of mediocrity about what we can’t” or something.
But they utterly failed. And we got this “new” horde, because… idk, they think it’s an improvement. I see this whole faction story as “why do things the devs are not capable of doing properly”.
That is an odd idea. There is no point to even try to “please everyone”. Just to be clear of what the game exactly tried to do, and do it well.
How can you know that all who are vocal are vocal “out of proportion”?
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Oh, they’re definitely using WoW as a platform for slipping in ideologies and writers pets.
But in regards to the Horde, those lipservice Saurfang cinematics tell me all I need to know about how they view the Horde. They knew enough about what the WC3 Horde was supposed to represent to shove a ton of budget into them, but did not care enough for it to deter them in their use of the Faction as a motiveless plot device to settup SLs. Because A) The Alliance can never be allowed to do anything that might antagonize or aggravate the Horde (nothing that would be allowed to count or wasn’t whitewashed at least); B) The Horde was not really capable of doing what it was tasked to do in the 4th War (but they shoehorned them into doing it barely anyway); and C) Their awful death of Jin to set things up, and their silencing of every opposing voice there should have been for years … till it was time to use them to save the Faction.
Blizz knows what the Horde is supposed to be. They just don’t care. At least not some of the Higher end devs who work on the Meta-Story (there is passion and creativity left within those who work beneath them on Micro-Stories, but they can only do so much). The Horde is “Nothing”. A tool to be used and discarded, just like Sylvanas did. With the bare minimum effort put forth to justify its continued existence (cuz obviously you can’t destroy a player faction in a 2 faction game).
I would pin it on the obsession on “Anduin can’t be wrong”. With quest, from Mop day, having his say things like:
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thunder_Forge_(quest)
My friend, if you blindly trust a black dragon in the search for greater power, are you any better than Garrosh Hellscream?
Secrets of the First Empire
It’s a Pandaren board game. The object is for both players to win.
Celestial Blessings
Yu’lon says: But true wisdom comes from KNOWING what is right. And sometimes DOING nothing at all.
All the way to BfA where he says stuff like
Anduin: The path to peace will not be easy, and not all will choose to walk it. But this is the only way to build a better future. I believe it will work, Genn.
Which is like… yeah.
I am not sure the devs realize that this approach of “only 1 approach can be right, no matter times / cultures / situation” is a death sentece to a chance of decent multi-faction story.
Or maybe that is the point, that what the game was, or how it’s marketed, is not of value after the players pay to get an expansion.
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The table missions all being obviously cata-era questlines really hammers in that most of BfA was probably dumb ideas they brainstormed in Mists and canned for a reason at the time.
Not quite. The Highborne were only a minority of the population even within the cities. Most urban dwellers were “normal” night elves. Even in Zin-Azshari the Highborne only occupied a single district outside of the palace. It’s true that the rural night elves were more nature-aligned than their urban and suburban counterparts, but the whole civilization was still heavily arcane-based.
It’s really still weird to me that people look at Suramar and try to divine divides out of it.
I know why people do it in RP, even if I hate it.
“The religion was strictly lowborne” even though Oculeth seems to still have a shred of religion and Dath’remar’s rebellion was spurred by mistreatment of a priestess.
“The arcane was strictly highborne” which Suramar just doesn’t show. I’m not even convinced all the post exile quel’dorei would have been descended strictly from those highborne, SMC rivaled the pre-sundering imperial cities in size. It clearly had people who weren’t nobility.
There’s something the writing is obviously not directly stating but definitely implying to some extent.
Not to mention the Temple of Elune in Suramar was connected by bridge directly to the Nighthold. It was also the only structure in the city that was comparable in size to the Nighthold. I have no doubt by the time of the War of the Ancients many in the upper class had abandoned Elune in favor of their fanatical worshiping of Azshara and the arcane, but end-stage civilization shouldn’t be viewed as indicative of what things were like for the majority of the Kaldorei Empire.
Yeah that temple of Elune looks like a pretty ridiculously exalted structure for something that weird discourse insists was NBD to the highborne.