New lore reveal in books. Elune, Azeroth, Sylvanas

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Plus, Blizz seems to be doing exactly what those of us who did get invested in what the WC3 Horde represented and its characters were afraid of. They are writing more outs and putting FAR more effort in a potential “redemptive” story for Sylvanas than they ever intended to put into the “NOTHING” Horde. Which means the burden of guilt of that aforementioned genocide we were turned into a motiveless, opinionless plot device so Sylvie to settup Shadowlands will fall harder on the Horde when they do pull that trigger. Because they couldn’t even be bothered to do the barest obvious choice of going with a Horde entrapment narrative in BfA. Which wouldn’t have been more enjoyable to play through as a Horde player, but it at least would have helped parts of the story make more sense. But instead, they needed Sylvie’s “surprise” betrayal.

Not to mention the fact that they’ve done NOTHING but reinforced Sylvie’s narrative that the Horde is Nothing, while undermining Saurfang’s stance that the Horde has both value, and the capacity to be worthy of the honor he believed himself not worthy of. With Saurfang’s soul being made into a trinket (and thus, saving him seems beyond our abilities), Sylvie getting prepped with TONS of outs (or validations), and our BEST and HEART Baine being thrown away like worthless garbage by his own kidnappers. And allowed no personal relevance or story as of yet, despite being the main rep of the single most spirit worshipping PC race in the LAND OF THE DEAD!!!

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Elune’s dark side is targeted against her followers’ enemies. Not her followers. The Night Warrior is the vengeance for her people, not against them.

Why are you throwing words mindlessly to justify a terrible take?

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Kaleaons point, I think, is that every…single…person who took up the Night Warrior power has died from said power. There IS a dark side to taking up such a power, as there should be.

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Let’s repeat the path of the Accuser: Tyrande will kill Sylvanas (the attacker), then she will kill the Horde (the assistant attacker), then we will kill the Alliance (who did not intervene quickly enough), and then Tyrande will kill Shandris or Malfurion. Or Tyrande will die from the forces of the Night Warrior. But first - to kill all those involved and not involved.

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What? Did you actually watch walking dead/game of thrones? Nearly every moment is showing is horrible the world is with only brief respites of peace.

They have not done so. At best they are saying Slyvanas may have a good reason to do it. But ultimately she is still on the wrong for doing it. In the same vein one might understand why Sargeras going on genocida might be understandable if wholly unacceptable.

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So, none of this is “lore” in the canonical sense. These are fairy tail stories people tell. Removing the fact that Blizzard doesn’t understand what fairy tails are…

None of this should be taken as fact.

Which means that the moon in the first story isn’t Elune, the baby sister isn’t the Winter Queen (unless directly named). It’s Mush’a. It’s the Tauren mythology version.

There is another story, further on in the book, that deals with the Moon and how the Blue Child was born.

Please keep in mind these are stories told on Azeroth. They are not big lore reveals. Even the Sylvanas one. They are not out of world word of god. They are people inside of Azeroth sitting around a campfire telling stories.

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Nah, it’s just a narrative tool so far for “tell, don’t show” with telling spoopy stories about “what would’ve happen if”, etc.

Black eyes on NPCs are not consistent and barely mean anything (Shandriss, Malfurion, and most other named NPCs did not get it, and the story won’t account for the ritual affecting them, most likely).

And the ritual which did not save Thiernax, will work now just fine, because 2 mortals is not enough, but 4 - that’s a totally different story, you know.

etc.

The whole story is for me “better not do at all than do like that”. I guess it’s kind of clear why are there jokes about “multi-dollar company”.

Will see where the resolution of at least Sylvanas, since they apparently wanted to use the horde as either plot tool or (not sure how to politely put it) characters incapable of not repeating the same path again and again, as a representation of what W3-vanilla horde truly is.

As well as what is there with this “purpose for souls”.

And the advertised story about justice.

This topic was brought up already, and the book already confirmed to have some canon meaning.

If there would be consistent application of any ruling on the stories (either canon or "some stories), there would be way less discussion / confusion.

Given some canon material in the book being confirmed, possibility of any element being canon have to be exercised as well.

gl hf

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Some. But that’s the type of stuff we can pretty easily piece together. Say, Tuskar physiology

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Given tendency of the devs lately to use retcons whenever convenient, I am not really sure.

I got back into story of WoW because I though that maybe if Afrasiabi leading was about “what’s cool”, then a different leadership would be more concerned with consistency.

And, no luck. Might need another set of narrators before “common sense” or in-universe continuity might become something to have value.

gl hf

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it was either enough for 4+wq…that was the reason elune intervened

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We’ll see the details. So far the text suggests that “I was as much observer” from Tyrande. So, there could be no “Elune intervened” since, you know, it was Elune all along when it comes to night warriors.

(the one who is always there and by default a part of the ritual cannot suddenly appear and “interfere”)

Assuming having at least some narrative consistency.

gl hf

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Popularity has nothing to do with Veeresa effectively being portrayed as powerless AND useless most of the time (she was the trophy wife of a Gary Stu self insert up to ToW. Her actions post MoP -especially the one related to chickening out on killing Garrosh- don´t help her case either).

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It was just a joke since her relative unpopularity is kind of a meme

IDK, she has good moments when she’s not strictly a satellite character, even if she does messed up stuff and has a bizarre moral compass (wow it’s like she’s an elf >.> ). The problem is she mostly is.

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She´s a meme just like Aethas, only less in-the-face (I swear the stuff devs make her say sometimes is so stupid she has this vague “airhead” image in my mind).

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That was the path of the Stonewright not the Accuser who is someone else who was so proud of overcoming her assassinations that it took being shown her daughter whom she accidentally murdered to weaken her(she also suspiciously drops off from the plot when Mal’Ganis who was to infiltrate Renathal’s inner circle deliberately reveals himself).

Regardless of whether or not the Accuser is Mal’Ganis(which would explain why the Accuser would have to be shown a visual of her greatest crime in order to weaken) she has shown zero signs of being a Night Warrior while the current Stonewright(AKA the first Mortal Venthyr) has outright been revealed as a Night Warrior.

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I wish Blizz & fans would drop the redemption angle, Sylvanas makes a great villain.

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I find it a very stupid reading on Vereesa’s character. She was key to stopping both Deathwing and Sinestra’s plans and more importantly I loved her not killing Garrosh because it proved that when push came to shove she would do the right thing(not to mention the act saved her life because it meant she didn’t end up following Sylvanas/end up an undead, the rare even where doing the right thing was unequivocally the “correct” thing to do).

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See, I thought it was one of her weak moments. She hesitated for the wrong reasons.

IDK I just liked her portrayal in DotD

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She changed her mind because she thought of her family and what bringing them to Undercity would do to them(and while she didnt know, it would have meant her kids would have ended up dead at Sylvanas’ hands). If anything that is prefectly good motivation for her.

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Oh, I didn’t mean the part about becoming a Dark Ranger, I agree this was just the grief talking. I meant not going forward with the murderplot specifically.