New Instance Limit in WoW Classic

[Majeye-earthfury]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

@Majeye-earthfury

@Ziryus-doomhammer

@Ôwns-proudmoore

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Well quests have a built in limiter, for the most part you can only run a quest once per character

Sure, but if they only allowed you to complete 30 quests in a day in their on going effort would you be supportive of that change? Its only dictating how many quests you can do in a day afterall.

Even better, lets just limit nodes to 30 per day to reduce the amount of automation that is farming the nodes.

Probably because those are not comparable analogies. Quests have a very hard cap on how often you can repeat them, nodes have a very fixed respawn rate that can’t be cheesed simply by hitting reset.

How would you feel if they removed the 30 runs per day but gave all dungeons a 1 day lock out? Or for that matter a 5 run a day cap per individual dungeon.

Or just remove the dungeon lockout thing altogether, it’s unnecessary.

Implement some decent algorithms (like many other games have already) that detect bots / 3rd party programs that insert themselves into the volatile memory space of the game being played, and ban the bots.

Also, wouldn’t be easy to tell on those that are far surpassing the 30 day limit, amassing tons of gold, and then losing that gold in a single transaction? That should send up some huge red flags and sirens at Blizzard.

Nope, here we are, the average player base, trying to make a case as to why this is a terrible change to a bunch of Blizzard puppets trying to tell us we are wrong.

Except you are assuming this change was only targeted at bots and that others were inadvertently caught up in it.

I really doubt that’s the case. I think blizzard 100% knew they’d also catch people boosting, or trying to troll for jed, or doing whatever other speed runs they were doing and very intentionally included them.

Yet, Blizzard OPENLY accepts and promotes guilds like… METHOD… who do speed runs on a daily basis… both in classic and in retail.

So… that can’t be the reasoning behind it.

[Korpiklaani-kirtonos]

@Natasi-stalagg

I think it doesn’t really matter who is unsubbing or not - Blizzard most assuredly has data analytics that give them valuable insight into subscription numbers.

Here’s what’s happened:
Activision has realized they’re making more money off of bot accounts and subscriptions in the endless loop of banning accounts and selling new ones.

Based on this change, they’ve more than likely realized they’re currently making a significantly greater profit on the whole from bot and gold seller accounts than they do off of legitimate players.

So, how do you maintain the farce that you’re taking action against them while simultaneously creating a reason for those accounts to rapidly proliferate and continue doing the exact same thing?

@Kaivax

Now, when a player enters a dungeon or a raid, the game checks to see if they have entered 5 instances in the last hour or 30 instances in the last 24 hours, and if they have, they cannot enter the instance until enough time has elapsed. This check is across all of your characters on your realm.

[Stronktusk-fairbanks]

Can you explain in detail how dungeon farming could be considered exploitative?

[Modular-fairbanks]

Instance limit is garbage. If you don’t want mages farming and aoeing the instances change the game mechanics not lock people out of the game. Especially when I like many others pay for two accounts and now there instances are linked ???

Gimme a break what a joke.

[Majeye-earthfury]

@Sonalvesty-moon-guard

If your gameplay was affected by this, there’s a good chance Blizzard considers it “exploitative”

If resetting dungeons is exploitative… just remove the “reset dungeon” function altogether. There would be zero need for a max dungeon lockout then.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Except you are assuming this change was only targeted at bots and that others were inadvertently caught up in it.

I really doubt that’s the case. I think blizzard 100% knew they’d also catch people boosting, or trying to troll for jed, or doing whatever other speed runs they were doing and very intentionally included them.

If they were targetting boosters or jed farmers theyd have come up with a solution that fixes it. Boosters are profitting more from this change.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Majeye-earthfury

Yet, Blizzard OPENLY accepts and promotes guilds like… METHOD… who do speed runs on a daily basis… both in classic and in retail.

So… that can’t be the reasoning behind it.

That guild will be just as effected by this as anyone else in classic. And retail has largely had it’s incentives to spam dungeons with pathing exploits/rare hunting/etc… removed.

Blizzard’s design from the original 5 runs per hour rule, through various changes to dungeon design, has made it very clear they don’t like finding a gimmick in a dungeon and spamming resets to exploit it.

[Sonalvesty-moon-guard]

Resetting dungeons isn’t inherently exploitative, but resetting them over 30 times a day to farm raw gold, fish for rares, and other unintended behavior is.

[Natasi-stalagg]

As I stated in my post above, my gameplay is not affected by this. I have however seen the worrying trend in retail around time gating a massive amount of content behind arbitrary dailies, weeklies, literally releasing content 1 week at a time.

A lot of Classic players don’t really want this type of helicopter parenting in a video game, they want to experience the content at their pace, whether it be the 1 or 2 days a week they have off to play all day, or maybe 2-3 hours a night. Either way I support both ways.

Again, I think the biggest problem here is a lack of Blizzard communication around what the exploitative gameplay is here. Boosting and instance grinding is not a new concept, it’s been around since launch, and it still exists in retail.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

@Sonalvesty-moon-guard

Resetting dungeons isn’t inherently exploitative, but resetting them over 30 times a day to farm raw gold, fish for rares, and other unintended behavior is.

This is an opinion, not a fact. You not liking it does not make it unintended or an exploit.

[Majeye-earthfury]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

@Majeye-earthfury

Yet, Blizzard OPENLY accepts and promotes guilds like… METHOD… who do speed runs on a daily basis… both in classic and in retail.

So… that can’t be the reasoning behind it.

That guild will be just as effected by this as anyone else in classic. And retail has largely had it’s incentives to spam dungeons with pathing exploits/rare hunting/etc… removed.

So… then “edit” the environment in classic dungeons to prevent this from happening - or implement algorithms to detect certain things… like the ZG boost bots that jump up 100 yards in the air to run through the dungeon to gather up the mobs, etc. (or put in ceilings or “out of bounds” kill timers or something)

Why should everyone be punished for what bots/exploiters are doing?

There are far better “fixes” for this than instance lockouts.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Natasi-stalagg

As I stated in my post above, my gameplay is not affected by this. I have however seen the worrying trend in retail around time gating a massive amount of content behind arbitrary dailies, weeklies, literally releasing content 1 week at a time.

A lot of Classic players don’t really want this type of helicopter parenting in a video game, they want to experience the content at their pace, whether it be the 1 or 2 days a week they have off to play all day, or maybe 2-3 hours a night. Either way I support both ways.

Again, I think the biggest problem here is a lack of Blizzard communication around what the exploitative gameplay is here. Boosting and instance grinding is not a new concept, it’s been around since launch, and it still exists in retail.

And the reality is if you are just running level/gear appropriate dungeons and not trying abuse some random gimmick this change has minimal or more likely no impact on you.

The people impacted are people abusing very pathing issues or things like trying to troll for jed.

[Sonalvesty-moon-guard]

@Natasi-stalagg

Again, I think the biggest problem here is a lack of Blizzard communication around what the exploitative gameplay is here.

Blizzard isn’t going to communicate with us because the community is so hostile and vitriolic.

@Natasi-stalagg

Boosting and instance grinding is not a new concept, it’s been around since launch, and it still exists in retail.

Just because something has exisited for a long time doesn’t mean it’s okay. The way instances are abused isn’t true to the classic experience, which is what blizzard is trying to deliver to us.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Blizzard’s design from the original 5 runs per hour rule, through various changes to dungeon design, has made it very clear they don’t like finding a gimmick in a dungeon and spamming resets to exploit it.

Yet for 16 years they still allow you to reset it all day long. Your logic is flawed broseph

[Sonalvesty-moon-guard]

An opinion probably shared by Blizzard since the change. None of our opinions matter, only Blizzard’s does.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

“probably shared by blizzard”

LOL

[Sonalvesty-moon-guard]

Yup, which is why we are seeing it fixed with this most recent change, unless you can think of another reason for the change.

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

@Sonalvesty-moon-guard

Just because something has exisited for a long time doesn’t mean it’s okay. The way instances are abused isn’t true to the classic experience, which is what blizzard is trying to deliver to us.

All of these happened in Vanilla. This change takes it further away from Vanilla.

[Natasi-stalagg]

I think the people doing that are a large part of the Classic community though - just look at how popular those types of streams are on twitch - and it’s part of what makes Classic, Classic.

If Blizzard really doesn’t want them doing this then they need to be more explicit about their intentions here. We could spend all day going back and forth over what ‘exploitative’ game play is here, but ultimately the only definition that matters is Blizzards.

[Error-mankrik]

If it wasn’t for the lockdown I would hope this change would actually draw people IRL to go protest at their actual office, this change is a spit in the face of their playerbase and there should be a mob outside their work place over this. The more they ignore this the angrier I get, they really screwed over so many of their loyal players. Garbage company.